Yeah, ‘Believe women’ has a very specific meaning and its distortion is a case study in the limits of online discourse imo.
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Joe Biden to rich donors: “Nothing would fundamentally change” if he’s elected
I don’t think you get to talk about privilege when you’re the one defending the entrenchment of oligarchy. I just don’t think that works.
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I mean, even if we compare their track records on raping women, it’s no fucking comparison. On the one hand you have a guy who has been credibly accused by a woman one time about an incident that happened thirty years ago. On the other, you have a man who has not only been credibly accused by dozens of women about dozens of incidents, including his fucking Ex-wife(!), he’s completely unrepentant and is on tape bragging about how he can do it to anyone he wants. You draw no distinction between one assault and dozens of them, which trivializes the act itself. So please spare us the snide remarks and just shut the fuck up.
Again, you’re ignoring everythjng I just posted. You’re doing the exact same thing. Focusing on your one or two big issues, to pretend literally nothing would change, which ignores a whole mountain of incredibly serious stuff, like appointing competent, effective heads of agencies. You’re literally trivializing into nothing tens of thousands of unnecessarily COVID deaths.
Caring about rape trivialises rape, gotcha.
This is the actual core of your line itt, you’ll save a lot of time and effort if you just pare it down to this naked snarling.
I don’t believe I’m pretending when I’m quoting Biden himself. My point — which you won’t address because it actually hits home — is that you are the one whose position indicates a degree of privilege. You are the one treating the election like we went to a diner and they were out of the really good chicken sandwich, so we’ve got to settle for the fish. In that scenario, it really would be kind of childish to kick up a fuss and refuse to order.
Fundamental change is the goal. Joe “Nothing Would Fundamentally Change” Biden isn’t selling that. He’s not going to provide that. His election won’t signify the opening up of paths toward that. Stop approaching the left like we’re your ally and we’re defecting. We’re not your ally. We want fundamental change and you kinda don’t give a shit.
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Yeah it sucks that the Dem Party didn’t select someone who hasn’t sexually assaulted someone, but that’s the situation we are faced with. A guy who has one accusation, versus a guy who has dozens. I don’t know about anyone else, but when I hear someone look at that situation and say, “that’s no change” it seems pretty clear to me that you’re either really fucking privileged, you have no real understanding or concern about sexual assault outside of using it to try to score points in a political argument, or both.
I see ‘privileged’ is now just purely totemic, a non-content-laden floating signifier or thought-terminating cliche. The internet, man, it’s like a vampire that lives by sucking the meaning out of things.
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The idea there aren’t Bernie Bro’s is just silly. They are in this very thread. I am not going to name them but you all know who they are.
The Bernie Bro was never voting anyone but Bernie. Period. Whoever beat him was instantly cast as “just as evil”. He, they are all “He”, writes 50 posts about how bad the dems are for every time they mention the right. He uses the liberal in a derogatory sense every chance he gets. He thinks Warren is a right wing fraud. He makes post after post equating Trump and Democrats. He doesn’t care about nuance in any political situation. He calls Biden a liar, except when whatever Biden said supports his worldview. He knows deep in his heart he was never supporting anyone but Bernie long before Reede came along. He cares about purity over the suffering of actual people.
Bernie Bro’s are a tiny subset of Bernie supporters, but they are no fantasy.
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I agree that Trump is a worse rapist than Joe, and would be materially worse than Joe in terms of policy on most things. Joe is certainly the better candidate. I can still refuse to vote for a rapist, even a comparably better rapist.
I live in a state that doesn’t matter, so I don’t need to think too deeply about it. If I lived in a state that did matter, I would probably vote Biden. With that said I will find it really fucking troubling if this doesn’t turn off enough voters to cause him to lose. We need more votes than last time and the DNC is betting that more of its base is willing to vote for a rapist than was willing to vote for a woman with largely the same policies and political instincts (although admittedly those instincts do include slandering credible victims of sexual assault).
If they’re right, yay no more trump and now we have some minute chance of getting back SCOTUS without adding seats, but man it doesn’t say much about what we can hope for in the future.
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I thought you didn’t live in the United States?
I don’t.
Fast forward to 2050: “We have a chance to go from a serial killer to a guy with only one murder on his record. You’re telling me that’s not change?”
In seriousness, though, I hope Mehdi Hasan is right that Biden’s progressive picks aren’t window dressing. Empty Vessel 2020!
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Bruh, everyone here, LITERALLY everyone (except inso), agrees that republicans are cartoonish villains. We have hundreds of users here and none of them (except inso) are republicans.
It is probably too much to ask for to hope for two parties that have people’s best interests in mind, so I’m hoping we can eventually get to the point where we have one. That way there’s at least a chance that good things will happen if we win elections.
When the coronavirus stimulus package passes, and it ends up mostly benefiting corporate America, you think it’s more useful to point out that republicans supported it than Dems? Supporting corporations is their whole platform! They run on being evil! Dems pretend like they’re fighting against that but they vote for the exact same shit for the exact same reasons. So yes, they are who needs to be attacked relentlessly right now, at least in a discussion among people who are informed and left leaning.
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This is why you aren’t a Bernie Bro. Some posters here literally think there are many republicans, me included. Bernie Bro’s don’t differentiate anyone right of Bernie.
I totally agree with you about the DNC, in terms of their financial motives. I’ve said so many times.
Also note your use of Democrats and not liberals. That is a key distinction of someone who is not a Bernie Bro.
MLK, the white moderate, etc. Get ready for some lukewarm acceptance.
Man, that was fast, lol.
I hate myself…no I hate Biden for having to type this sentence out but, a rapist can be progressive in other policy positions.
It seems like he is shifting to the left all the time. Well that’s not true. It’s better stated he is being pushed to the left, largely by Bernie and his wing of the party. This is a good thing. The closer the AOC wing gets to the core of power the better. He could be lying but I think if one things true about him it’s that he is a political opportunist (and a rapist). He will follow the political winds. He has done so his whole career. If they are blowing left, he is all sails.
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Ok. I got confused because you were talking about whether you were allied with different political groupings, but obviously you can’t be allied with anyone if you aren’t a participant in the political system. You’re just a dedicated fan of American politics.
I agree that is a usage of believe women that dangerously dilutes it’s intent. We know from decades of research women don’t lie about sexual assault very often. It’s exceedingly rare. As for lying in general, women do it all the time just like men. It’s literally daily according to the social science research. In a political context, it’s de rigueur.
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I agree that you’re confused. Climate change and US foreign policy alone justify an interest in the subject. Throw in that I’ve got a sister living undocumented in the US and hey, looks like I do have a stake, after all. But don’t let me delay you, I’m sure you’re in a big hurry to demand IDs from various non-Americans ITT who agree with you.
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Joe Biden would not have fired the pandemic response team and refused to listen to experts.
In South Korea, with a denser population, 250 people have died. In USA #1, we’re at 90,000 and counting.
That’s tens of thousands of deaths directly attributable to having Donald Trump as president.
Its like this on every single issue.
I truly do get it. It is deeply frustrating to have to settle for this, but grow the fuck up.
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