That would probably be the only thing that gets me to vote for Biden, and I would be pushing for the 25th amendment on January 21st.
I actually expect a lot of young people will come out to vote for Biden-Bernie since it’s a freeroll at the presidency if Biden dies or is removed from office. Young people simply aren’t gonna come out to vote for Biden otherwise. Politically this ticket is probably the best chance the Dems have of getting a Senate majority.
Van Jones hit it on the head tonight:
I’m about to go back and reply to earlier posts, but I was also looking for your assessment of this being the most insane timeline.
https://twitter.com/SmilingObject/status/1237073488864628736
It goes without saying but I’ll say it anyway: I’m just one poster on this forum and nobody should feel obligated to appease me, and, in fact, if you want me to feel worse you should go ahead and do that. Like, duh.
However, if you do want to appease me even a little bit it’d be absolutely smashing for the Warren1Bernie2 people to acknowledge that this is the craziest timeline and admit that some significant part of their Warren defense is catharsis, an attempt to make sense of this crazy timeline. That’d be a real human connection, something I can empathize and sympathize with. That’s why I post here. I can go anywhere on the internet if I just wanted Captain Obvious Meets Smooth Galaxy Brain posts.
Like…
No shit homey, Bernie didn’t alter and expand the electorate? Didn’t get out the vote? What was your first big clue? That not enough people voted for him? Word up dog.
The easiest exercise is to just do a cut-and-poste with Bernieism. Imagine talking to an abolitionist politician circa 1845.
“So, it seems like you didn’t change the electorate and get out the vote. Turns out your whole Slavery Is Bad thing didn’t resonate with the Slavery Is Actually Good people. And there’s a lot of them! Some more abolitionist politicians supporting you probably wouldn’t have helped. That’s politics baby! I am very smart. Also I think slavery is bad. Like, the worst.”
Just stick a brain melting ray right in to my ear hole.
reading the thread from the bottom up still didnt prepare me
oh my
Re: voter turnout
“Bernie didn’t get out the vote!”
“Yeah maybe, but there’s all this un/intentional suppression.”
“I know friend, I am well aware.”
“Ok… Then why didn’t you include that in your original post?”
“Because I am actively trying to melt both our brains with this here raygun.”
https://twitter.com/ThomasIsOnline/status/1237478995773579266
I gotta be honest, it’s hard to get too worked up about that in relation to it causing Bernie to lose when he’s down by 15-20 points.
It’s a preview of November. The problems and precincts will be the same and likely have even worse problems. And yes the Dems are probably actively engaged in this in their own primary to some degree.
looks like that selfish Bernie Sanders could have stopped Biden by dropping out and endorsing Warren. Only way it would have worked, I’m so done with him
This is, frankly, conspiratorial whinging. There’s plenty of appetite in the Democratic party for progressive change. Sure, the politicians are all soulless hacks, but the upside of the pols being soulless hacks is that they’re relatively easy to buy: just show up with a bunch of engaged youth voters who are excited about healthcare reform. And, lo and behold, all the dynamic up-and-coming politicians dutifully marched to the left like lemmings to position themselves for the primary. Gillibrand, Harris, Booker and Warren all sponsored Bernie’s M4A bill. But, to what I am sure was their bitter surprise, there was no support for them there, and they were actually viewed as traitors and interlopers for crowding the progressive lane!
If you have to be sold a fairy tale of complete political revolution, then you are inherently setting yourself up for disappointment. The beauty of democratic systems is that you can compel the powerful to accommodate your views if you can line up a lot of voters behind them. The downside (actually part of the beauty, but nevermind) is that you don’t get to guillotine your opponents if you win, or even reduce the entire political establishment to powerlessness. The quid pro quo for the ability to get what you want without an armed insurrection is that you need to cool out your opponents after you beat them, which unfortunately means that you can’t get all of what you want.
The political establishment ultimately coalesced against Bernie because he is personally hated by a lot of the establishment and a lot of their supporters are genuinely afraid that he’s outside of normal politics and is going to guillotine them or expropriate them or what have you. Warren is frightening to some people, but not hated by the establishment. She could have won with progressive support, and she would have been fearsomely effective. And someone like Booker would have been a broadly acceptable Medicare for All supporter to be president. In the end, the progressives turned down the half-a-loaf offers but didn’t remotely have the electoral muscle to seize the whole loaf. So you end up with nothing.
lol. Warren = biden except she doesn’t even have dementia as an excuse.
Basically our own parents told us to fuck off. Thanks boomers.
I don’t necessary believe it, but I find stuff like this entertaining.
It’s kind of self-indulgent to compare your political predicament to the pre-war abolitionists’. Abolition was broadly popular in the north (cf. all the northern states abolishing slavery and the country banning slave imports as soon as constitutionally permitted). The problem was that everyone correctly perceived that slavery could only be abolished in the south with a bloody civil war. You guys really just need to get people to vote for you to get what you want.
Well, I just won a bet, that the first sentence of the first reply would take issue with the analogy. Drinks on me!
This.
Except the exact opposite.
So not really “this” per se, but still a thought-provoking post.
We don’t agree. Like you had it half right by identifying that the Dem pols are soulless hacks that can be manipulated. However the money, not the voters, control the Dem party. The voters are mostly uninformed morons who vote for whoever the flickering box tells them to. (See: Biden, Joe)
And look Bernie didn’t run a great campaign. I’m not saying he should have won. I’m saying the powers that be in the Dem party have no interest or appetite for actually accomplishing anything on things like caging kids(they literally voted to fund it), universal health care(they literally almost all oppose it), student loan reform(disingenuous Pete comments on handouts for rich kids), etc. Yes there is a bare minimum of lip service paid to it. And that’s all they need to do because their voters fall for it every time.
And no that isn’t “conspiratorial whinging” it is the reality we live in. The party has sought to use it’s power to marginalize the AOC/Bernie wing. I don’t see how you could argue otherwise.
If your whole point is we need to compromise then I agree sort of. The problem is “compromise” with the DemE is kind of like compromising with the Republicans. You give in to everything they want and never get anything. Actual compromise I would be interested in.
How is it even possible that you believe this is how it went down?
I literally stared at your sentence for 10 minutes only to come up with that question.
This is the only real and honest thing I’ve seen you post.
Thought about making this an OP but why bother. [Morpheous voice] What if all this time it was the democratic establishment who were the real truly evil people. For the most part the GOP are just useful rubes that the dems use as a bludgeon against the people. Nervous nancy, shifty shiff, obama et al all want kids in cages. They all want zero taxes for corporations. They all want suffering and death for regular people. They set this up so they would have a permanent fall guy in the republican party which they fed and grew as a group of CHUDs that they could then “protect” people from. They are wholly responsible for trump and every bad thing that occurs. That’s why their actions are indistinguishable from actions someone would take if they wanted the worst possible outcomes. Because they do. It’s actually the GOP that are the washington generals. They get all the blame but the globetrotter dems get all the benefits. If there were an evil ranking every single establishment dem would rank higher than even the worst republican.
I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic or not but if you replace their desire for being evil with their craven desire for power and $$$ you are basically spot on. They benefit greatly from the current system and can allocate the blame of it at the feet of the Republicans with no intention to ever fix any of it. Best of both worlds.
