Speak for yourself, both of my parents are Bernie supporters.
/humblebrag
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Serious question, what % of your posts are just swooping in to point out people shouldn’t be talking about a topic and then leaving? What do you think it contributes?
Like, Liz Warren’s actions over the last 3 weeks are probably the most interesting storyline in this election post mortem. Sorry people are mad at the people you like.
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It’s liberating to realise the dems are the truly evil party. There can’t be any dissapointed expectation of positive change once you understand it. Though it is kind of embarrasing to have defended this evil for so long. Need to apologise to @Inso0 and all the other GOP slappies who were 100% correct. Dems are the real racists. Dems do hate the poor more than republicans.
Uh, you might want to try telling this to the DemE and their centrist supporters. Because the marks are pretty fucking far from being cooled out.
For those in here stanning for the DemE crew what is their actual platform? And I mean in reality not the bullshit on their campaign websites. It is basically a slightly tweaked status quo right?
In many ways, the GOP and the Democratic establishment are just products of the system, one created by our flawed and outdated constitution. They are incapable of criticizing the system, because they believe in their own goodness and nobility and embrace a process that elevates people like them.
Changing the system general requires a crisis to motivate people to want a change. Sometimes, that takes the form of revolution or civil war. The change is almost never easy and people often shy away from the cost.
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Part of the dispute here is that some people think Elizabeth Warren is part of the DemE crew and some people think that take is horribly inaccurate.
The Democratic establishment seems to want to protect the institutionalized legal corruption that people like Sanders and Warren oppose, that people like Donald Trump pretend to oppose, and that gives us people like Hunter Biden and encourages the growth of a parasitic consultant class, while generally supporting socially liberal policies.
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Warren is probably the worst of all of them. She has the temerity to keep trying to pretend even though her mask is dragging along the floor at this point.
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Are you a chapo fan? They articulated a good explanation for Warren’s behavior that aligned with my “support” of her even after the fuckups.
At this point we don’t know how widespread it is.
Meaning, it’s so widespread nobody can properly aggregate it yet.
Also,
https://twitter.com/JustinAHorwitz/status/1237546709355356160
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I understand that they’re aware of the issue. It’s proving intractable to resolve though.
Warren has consistently clashed with the Democratic establishment on the economic issues that are her priority. Calling Warren an eDem seems about as accurate as calling Susan Collins a bipartisan centrist.
Warren is, however, a partisan Democrat. She’s not part of the establishment, but she’s also not going to actively work to destroy the party, so she is never going to act in a way that pleases people who think “Bernie or bust”.
Yeah, I’m no longer giving credence to performance art. “clashing” with dems is meaningless. The dems “clash” with the GOP constantly but they want the same outcomes so who cares?
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I don’t think they are even remotely aware. If they were, the party machinery and self-centered geriatrics wouldn’t have coalesced around Joe fucking Biden.
I’ll take my occasional venting over the last sequence of whatevs having a nonstop tantrum. Seriously, you guys have been at this for months, it’s exhausting.
Oh yeah, Liz stopping by SNL is more important than the Michigan primary for sure.
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Finish the sentence: “rather, they would have coalesced around __________.” An awful lot of names have been sized up for that blank.without success.
One was a foregone conclusion, the other was a damning indictment of the entire political process and the final nail in the coffin of the idea that the dems are the lesser of evils in any way. So kind of a big deal.
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So obviously my brief stint on the Bernie train is done… and unfortunately every major reservation I ever had about him was confirmed by this cycle.
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I felt that his career had produced zero actual impact and he had no accomplishments, because he’s an idealist and not an operator.
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I felt that he’s at his best when he’s out there being directionally correct (he’s nearly always been correct about the direction we should go), but that his actual policy ideas range from very good to as bad as anything the GOP has ever suggested (looking at you jobs guarantee). He’s not an execution guy.
The people saying he shouldn’t have run, and should have instead thrown his weight behind Warren the entire cycle are absolutely right. I’m sorry, but he’s made way too many enemies and lacked the skillset to win here. If you can’t beat HRC in an election you can’t beat anyone. The reason Warren caved a bit on M4A is that she had to split the progressive wing with Bernie and needed to pull at least some moderates to remain viable, and Pete was chunking away at her ‘college educated white moderate progressive’ support, which is all she retained at the end.
I get a lot of you want your politicians to be pure beings made out of your hopes and dreams, but if there’s one thing you should learn from 2020 it’s that those people aren’t good politicians. Being a politician is a role that isn’t compatible with any of that, particularly the idealism. Politicians aren’t going to save us. Politicians are going to reflect back on us where the power and the public opinion are.
We all need to make peace with the world as it is and start operating accordingly. How the world should be is something you can have as a goal, but you have to first understand how things are and why they are that way to know what the right decisions would be to achieve those goals.
The good news is that all indications are that AOC is more than an idealist. She’s operationally gifted, which in my opinion is a much bigger deal than her having good core beliefs. The reason why she’s rare isn’t that she’s a good person, there are lots of those… the reason she’s rare is that she’s a good person who can also operate… and being able to operate is usually the domain of psychopaths.
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I would not describe Warren’s actions as performative art.
One example of where she had a substantive clash with the Democratic establishment was when she successfully led the charge to prevent Larry Summers from being named Federal Reserve Chairman. Her desire for a wealth tax is legitimate and not some sort of political theater.