Crazy Religious Shit

I made this thread separate from the god and religion/theology one because I didnt want to insult or offend serious discussion, I’m happy to discuss seriously though, I will absolutely not be reverent about it though, religious trauma is a real thing

leaving a faith is a really really gnarly thing. two guys in my therapy group are dealing with a similar thing as I did, but it’s odd, I’m about 10 years farther in my journey with it than them, hearing them say things I used to think about it, trying to come to terms.

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I found a contradiction in the bible

the old testament apparently, adultery meant death by stoning

then Jesus said, “he among you that is without sin, let him…”

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you can find real gnarly inconsistencies in the first couple verses of genesis, the book’s history is kind of fascinating, it’s the result of thousands of translations and retranslations across a half dozen languages and hebrew linguistical study of the torah shows drift of multiple centuries in the specific dialect and terms used, sometimes within the same verse.

this is my major attacking (really, defense) point anymore when I am challenged about my unfaith. I have actually conceded a ton of ground to them - I’ve posited that I could be ok being a part of a church community and religion that:

  1. acknowledges science as fact
  2. acknowledges the bible as a flawed document
  3. isnt trumpy
  4. isnt dogmatic or pushy

this doesn’t exist, of course. christianity for whatever reason has decided that biblical literalism is the only way to go. My first question in a debate I want answered is, “if the bible is the perfect word of god, why did he allow so many inaccuracies and flaws in it?” like, i’d assume an omnipotent being would be able to maybe proofread some of this stuff over the millennia of re-re-re-re-written versions of it, by people with varying political motives.

It’s funny when some dipshit on some random facebook group tries to get into a theological debate with me. what I studied from the age of 7 til 18 was called apologetics, the defense of the faith. I know all the arguments and how to rip them apart, and probably know more about the bible than a lot of devouts.

much of it from a pure logic perspective is total nonsense.

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Im more interested in it as a theory to make a man/ woman.

That hadnt popped in my head in a while, but the linguistic study of the old testament was really eye opening for me. i was taught those would have been written and preserved unchanged since at least 5000 BC. however, when the text is analyzed, like I said there’s drift, and if it’s not clear what that is it’s like if you were reading some shakespearean era piece, in the language of that time, and then at the end of the sentence was “str8 bussin.”

like, you’d know immediately that someone from ~2020 that knew zoomer slang had edited it several hundred years apart from the original writing and the entire old testament is like that.

That’s only fundamentalist and evangelical Christianity. Mainline Protestants and Catholics disagree.

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yea, this is true, I am speaking only from my experience which has been evangelical, and more specifically, a weird flavor of that particular sect of christianity i’m blanking on now that focuses on end times and “works of god” like speaking in tongues and stuff.

I’ve said before that weirdly I can kind of get on board with catholics as a tolerable theology, but get a little thrown by the child rape and all the other horrible stuff they do.

I know the exact moment I became an atheist is a pretty funny speaking in tongues story I was always too embarrassed to talk about.

my church was weird, it was one of the first megachurches right, like maybe even the very first one - I went to their flagship private k-12 school, first on a sponsorship via my dad’s volunteer work on the church and then later through charity/work study.

big reason I got through was because a thing this church would do would be to groom charismatic, bright seeming kids that really liked the source material and they’d slowly groom them into starting their own franchise of the church. one of my old friends ended up doing this exact thing and several others now work within the church.

so i had this weird ability to memorize large chunks of the bible very easily and recall it much much later. this was seen as some weird “sign” because the elder guy who started the church was a weird biblical savant that literally memorized the entire thing (i tested him once, he really did) and kept it loaded in his head. my ability to do this got a tooooooon of attention and I think is why I was able to go there for so long.

anyway so part of this grooming was to send you to these church camps where theyd immerse you deeper and deeper in the cult. they were real big on “gifts” and this particular camp’s theme was “gifts of the spirit” and everyone had a BIG hype on what mine was gonna be. I really wanted tongues but some counselor thought I could do prophesy. this sounds insane but they literally think like this, like it’s a harry potter sorting hat or some shit.

so the big night comes where everyone gathers quietly and goes slowly in groups to be prayed on and “receive” their gift. much of it was a lot of kids speaking in tongues and shaking and crying.

when it got to my turn, I eagerly awaited - nothin. nothing at all. i looked around and everyone was looking at me thtat wasnt speaking in tongues, and I did what every other kid there was probably doing and made some stuff up. (I later learned this is a well known effect that’s often used in hypnosis performances). it’s a little funnier though, i didnt know precisely what to say, so being a weird autistic kid I had a made up language I’d invented several years prior, and I said something like “is this real?” in that language.

well, everyone thought that shit was the greatest crap they ever heard. people even started repeating it like it meant something. i was a little nervous by that point, figuring someone would catch me and realize i just made it up.

then, I asked the most senior pastor there what he thought it meant. He gave me something I don’t remember, and then I said something like “eat shit” and he went on some big huge thing about what it meant for me in my life, and that’s when I think I really knew. I don’t know why it took me a really long time after to come out of it completely but that was really the moment.

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Sounds like Pentacostals.

yea, that’s the word that was evading me. they weren’t officially that, but clearly very inspired by it. officially they called themselves “non denominational.”

I get little inside scoops from a church insider now and then, it’s a really weird world with a LOT of money, and when that happens, weird crap happens.

Have you looked at Liberal Quakers or Unitarian Universalists?

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Could go in SCOTUS thread

Thank you for sharing your story. Pretty fascinating, and I love how you kind of accidentally put yourself in the position to recognize the utter bullshit of it all.

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The moderators of this message board, otatop, L.Washington, WichitaDM, Yuv, JonnyA, RiskyFlush, and SvenO, are cowards who let abusers dox and harrass other long time posters.

“The Constitution doesn’t sleep at night,” said Jaylani Hussein, executive director of the Minnesota chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), after the vote.

It most certainly does. Time, place, and manner restrictions.

He said Minneapolis’ action should show the world that a “nation founded on freedom of religion makes good on its promise.”

Freedom from religion is the far more important protection. It’s probably also the one that Hussein cites when arguing against Christian prayer in school.

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Council Member Lisa Goodman, who on Thursday was observing the final day of Passover, noted that the Jewish call to prayer — which is generally spoken rather than broadcast — doesn’t face legal restrictions. Observers noted that church bells regularly toll for Christians.

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Also, of course,

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It bothered me at first when I visited Turkey but I adjusted after a few days. People can do the same.

I mean how many mosques does Minneapolis even have?