I sort of thought consensus from studies at this point was that vaxxed can transmit, perhaps even as much as unvaxxed at peak, but just were probably contagious for shorter periods on average and were less likely to acquire COVID in the first place. Havent seen much to support vaxxed transmission not being a thing, data doesnt seem to support it (caseloads in highly vaxxed populations, attack rates in fully vaccinated prisons, etc).
I havent seen the sort of longitudinal type study you are talking about, more viral load comparisons.
Unvaxxed children being similar to vaxxed adults is an observation some people make to say children donāt need to be vaxxed and other people make to say vaxxed adults should not be going to the movies or restaurants.
The point made earlier that child lives are more valuable than old person lives is a good point, though it has not been popular at times.
Iām struggling with what you are attempting to say here. Are you saying that the people who point out that vaccinated adults donāt transmit the virus nearly as effectively are like people who say that children donāt spread covid?
JT the point here is that children spread covid really well. Vaccinated people, at worst, spread it at a fraction of the general population and may not spread it efficiently. When you make this comparison to kids, youāre comparing a group of people who are factually wrong with people who are 100% factually correct and saying theyāre similar. The fact is that they are not.
Mask mandates are an interesting subject at this point because the science kinda says that when we are cloth or surgical masking with delta we are closer to the anti-maskers than we are to the properly masked even though we certainly have a view about the anti-maskers.
We really should have N-95 in public mandates where transmission is high or substantial with the government supplying masks to everyone, but precautions are half theatre at this point we have moved on to quasi let it rip mode nationwide.
Quantify the likelihood of spread among vaccinated people over a certain age (old) vs unvaxxed under a certain age (children). Feel free to ballpark it.
If itās a point of contention (I donāt think that it is), then we have a very serious misunderstanding in some of the thread. In order to transmit a pathogen effectively, you need to become infected the vast majority of the time. There are specific kinds of diseases that donāt rely on this, things that rely on contact transmission like c diff for example. However, for respiratory viruses, this is absolutely true.
I donāt think thatās the issue. Pretty sure JT is talking about how vaccinated people can still spread covid, which is true. My issue with him is that heās making the comparison to unvaccinated children, which is absurd.
The point of contention is whether or not weāre being selfish assholes for going to movies or restaurants or using cloth masks instead of N95 while we finger wag at people who say schools should be open.
That ofc, is bullshit. I pointed out that the OFS advocates who argued that covid couldnāt spread in school were completely wrong is not that whatsoever. That research was used to open schools with little or zero mitigation measures and likely killed a lot of people. The deserve to be made fun of and derided.
That is the point of contention here regardless of your argument with Emily Oster, who isnāt a poster on this site. Who do you think youāre arguing with? Because your current back and forth seems to be with JT and you certainly are wrong if you think heās supporting opening schools.
There were posters on this site who took this information last fall/summer as reasonable and made OFS arguments using Osterās work. Bob was the biggest one IIRC.
I didnāt mention JT at all with that post. JT jumped in later making a ludicrous comparison about vaccinated people to unvaccinated children. That was wrong too, but in a different way. Seems like youāre looking for a fight with meā¦ again.
Bob is all on board mandatory vaccinations for all school age children regardless of FDA approval, so I donāt think you have Bobās perspective very well understood.
But your āpoint of contentionā is with Bob? Thatās what you meant when you said I was full of shit about the point of contention? I was like, āyouāve just had a back and forth with JTā but youāre like āno, Iām fighting with Bobā. Ok.
A few posters were most def pushing Osterās findings ITT. I donāt see much point in calling anyone out and stirring up that old drama. Iām definitely going to point and laugh at The Atlantic and the NYT for pushing irresponsible nonsense.
Iām not fighting with anyone. Iām posting about how covid spread efficiently in school, which was a discussion we had here micro. More evidence has come in that the people who argued that it didnāt were wrong. Sharing that evidence seems worthwhile.