I can add that when I got a vasectomy, I ended up having to go to Seattle because most of the doctors in my area are affiliated with Providence, and them being religious based meant not many local docs were allowed to do it.
ETA: ended up going to a joint named Dr snip. Was happy that it wasn’t in the back of a van in a parking lot and was a legit doctor.
I have little problem with anything you said. If Walgreens wants to hire a pharmacist who doesn’t want to dispense contraceptives, I guess it’s fine as long as someone can (if their policy is to sell them)
But I don’t see what any of this had to do with denying service to unvaxxed covid patients who could’ve safely received one ehile denying treatment to responsible people
What I’m talking about is risk acceptance. Before covid, you could wash your hands 50 times a day or simply practice reasonable hygiene and hope the one thing you touched when you didn’t wash, doesn’t make you sick. You could refuse to participate in all kinds of sports where there is serious risk of harrm. Few sports you can partake in have a non zero chance of being seriously injured
The chances of dying from covid for a reasonably healthy non vaxxed person is something like .003%. If I’m wrong, give the correct stat because I think that’s what I read.
You can always be safer. The question is when does it cross over to being a phobia?
When I read about fully vaxxed people staying shut in their homes and not even seeing friends face to face when it’s overwhelmingly likely nothing would happen, I wonder if it’s a legit concern or rather a bit phobic perhaps. As you know, I’ve always been more callous than most about this virus as it pertains to my own safety. Not sure if that’s because I’m younger and fortunate enough to be in good health and therefore, more likely to survive, or maybe I’m just too immature to care. I do realize it’s a concerning pandemic that’s dangerous for some and it needs to be brought under control. I just don’t view it as the death sentence many try to portray it to be
To refresh your memory, here was the objectionable statement
That was what I was taking issue with. If you still want to stand by this, then you don’t understand what slaves are.
Although I said this at the very beginning, I’m going to say it again so it isn’t lost:
Discussing emergency care involves some considerations that are not present in non-emergent situations.
I can imagine a more coherent slavery argument in emergent cases, but in that case, the government is more or less the slaver.
You sure about that?
Well, you can judge for yourself.
Neither of the doctors listed on the site is a urologist, for what it’s worth (which depending on your viewpoint could be a lot or not much)
Is your quibble with the fact that I took some liberties with the word “slave”? Surf said doctors aren’t slaves, as in, they don’t have to do what’s in their job description. I replied that if you hold a job, as a matter of fact you do have to do what you’re told. That was pretty much the only point of my contention
As as far emergent and non-emergent cases, I’m not a doctor and am unqualified to to discuss what constitutes which. My post was about whether or not it was morally ethical to require covid vaccinations so that responsible people don’t get shut out of ICU beds and other hospital resources by the galactically stupid. I personally, still wouldn’t have a problem with such a practice
This is extremely confusing because that’s not what Surf said at all. Let’s look back at that, shall we?
See if you can spot the difference in what Surf said and what you claim that he said.
DO NOT ENGAGE
Just ignore
Thank you
Because I’m a big Danspartan fan, I’ll sit on my hands but just know I don’t like it :)
Honestly, it’s probably this. Nothing against you personally, and the fact that you recognize this at least makes you better than most. There’s just so much more to this than “what is my personal risk”. Every single person that gets infected extends this pandemic and contributes to the worsening global situation, whether they die or not. They infect others who then infect and maybe kill even more people, they take up resources, and if they don’t die they embolden people who then say “my friend got it and it was just the flu, lets go to the bar bro”.
To answer @Ikioi, I got shot two in February. I basically changed nothing afterwards except visiting my one other vaccinated friend at the time indoors. Have dined inside once or twice since but wasn’t really thrilled about it. Mostly outdoor recreation, and always masked indoors. I’m in NJ which has a relatively good vaccination rate and case numbers, and also have gotten a booster shot of Moderna, so I personally feel fairly comfortable being anywhere as long as I’m masked. But covid is literally always on my mind when I’m in public. Some may call it a phobia, but I call it being part of a society and not wanting to contribute to anymore deaths than have already occured.
That was as much to myself as anyone else. Kind of like a set affirmation.
This is pretty neat. In countries where Pfizer is the only vaccine used, the decline in efficacy can’t be trusted because they didn’t stratify correctly. When you have studies with both Pfizer and Moderna, the relative decline in efficacy for Pfizer can’t be trusted because of a hypothesized propensity for vulnerable people to preferentially get Pfizer.
My stepmother just got put on a vent. As much as I hate her as a person I don’t know if my dad can survive without her and obviously he loves her and doesn’t want to be alone either.
Insurers are back with a message: “We are still irredeemable pieces of shit and a wholly amoral industry”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/09/18/covid-hospital-bills-insurance-deductible/
Maybe socialism was the problem in the US all along.
Well, maybe someone should do a properly stratified study that compares comparable populations to look specifically at the potential decline of vaccine efficacy, but making inferences from ill-suited data from studies that weren’t designed for this doesn’t really help clarify things.
File Under: FoxNews website obscuring the story as much as they can get away with:
Front page framing:
Actual headline:
It’s technically true that “inflation and higher prices” is an even more worrisome issue according to this poll, which seems completely insane to me. But I guess if you’re actually in the cohort that notices the price of milk going up maybe that seems more threatening than an invisible virus, especially if you’re already vaxxed.
Great job as always FoxNews.com
Although I believe in M4A, the headline is somewhat misleading, since insurers aren’t denying claims, they’re just reverting to pre-COVID rules, meaning someone with a high deductible plan will end up being out of pocket the same amount for COVID as if they were hospitalized for any other reason.
Family went from hesitant to militant pro vaccine.
