COVID-19: Chapter 9 - OMGicron

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Well, seems like a really different risk tolerance than most. Indoor dining has always been one of the riskiest of ordinary activities. Meeting up with a small number of vaccinated people is really safe.

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There are people I see regularly in the course of daily life, but in terms of sitting down and having quality time with friends, nope, just been me and the wife this whole time.

Well, you have to remember the numbers here are completely different than where you are. In my area, where I do most of my eating, there have never been more than a small handful of cases (usually under 10) at any one point, and even in the biggest city in my prefecture, with a population of about near 1 million, until quite recently there were never more than a few dozen active cases at most.

We eat during off hours, in well-ventilated places with private booths, masks on other than when actually eating. Without at least being able to do that I would have lost it for sure.

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I felt ok before the Delta surge then after that I went to a crowded restaurant on a Friday night in Minneapolis with my friend and his kids and that was pretty weird.

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Compulsory vaccination laws have been held to be constitutional by the Supreme Court.

Haven’t we been over this already?

Don’t think you ever went over with me or I forgot and apologize

I understand that schools can mandate childhood vaccines for children, but are you saying it’s a federal law to vaccinate a child for measles, polio, etc.? I didn’t know that

Edit: A quick Google search shows a mandate for public achools. I didn’t see anything right away that forces vaccinations

Double vaxxed for 7 months and still v weird. Zero indoor dining, masks indoors, hang out freely anywhere with other vaxxed folks.

It gets better with time (surprise surprise) but I do wonder how many years it’ll be before I see a packed stadium or arena and not think superspreader.

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I’m literally the only one with a mask on in stores now. Sometimes a worker or really old person has one on. One lady looked like she wanted to say something to me at the grocery store the other day. I was hoping she would. My Costanza pre jerk store moment is being ready to call a fat lady (or a dude I guess) a cow if she calls me a sheep.

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My mind has been successfully blown!

Then why the fuck don’t we just do that?! Fine people I mean if it’s constitutional. What’s all the fuss about?

So my uncle did end up passing from COVID last week. I had posted that he was unvaxxed but I was completely wrong. He was double vaxxed and was eligible for the booster but hadn’t received that.

Anyways, service was Friday and of the 100 or so people there, my unvaxxed cousin was the only masked one there.

Like, come the fuck on. At least fake it. I gave my aunt a hug, chatted with my cousins for 15 minutes and peaced the fuck out

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Japan is still about 100% masks in any indoor space or even outdoor spaces with crowds of people–vaxxed or unvaxxed.

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I’m curious about some of your definitions here.

So, what exactly do you think that a public hospital is? And how does that differ from a private hospital? Also I’m not clear if we’re talking about what the hospital can do or what the doctor can do.

To clear up that point let’s consider your Walgreens example. I think most would agree that if Walgreens makes it a condition of employment to provide contraceptives, and a pharmacist doesn’t do that, then the pharmacist should be fired. Not a lot of disagreement on that (not none either). The more interesting question is what if Walgreens just decides that they don’t want their pharmacies to provide contraceptives. They just tell everyone that they don’t dispense contraceptives and if someone wants them, then they need to go to a different pharmacy.

I’m fine if Walgreens doesn’t want to dispense contraceptives

I define public hospital as one funded primarily with public tax dollars

Just testing my knowledge of math and morbidity rate here, but aren’t some of you going a bit overboard? The chances of recovery from covid is extremely high even without being vaccinated. I mean, I’d avoid super spreader events, but such an abundance of caution doesn’t seem to be about the welfare of others. Am I wrong?

Yeah that’s still not exactly clear, as “funded” and “primarily” are not unabmiguous.

At the end of the day, a large part of the “funding” for a hospital comes from the insurance that the patient has. And a lot of that is Medicare. But even ostensibly private hospitals get government funding in a variety of other ways

I guess there are county hospitals and such that get a ton of money from the government because a lot of their patients are uninsured (except for the fact that they can go to the county hospital and get care).

But I don’t think we need to clear up whatever public/private distinction you have in mind in order to move forward. It sounds like what you are really concerned with is whether a hospital provides a certain service. If a hospital has decided they are going to provide that service and and doc who works that doesn’t want to do that, then they have a a couple of options.

  1. not hire the doc/fire the doc
  2. let the doc practice in a limited way and just make sure there is someone else available who can provide that service.

Using one or both of these methods doesn’t make the doc a “slave” in any way. If he doesn’t want to do what the job requires (and that is specified up front), then he will be fired or (more likely) never hired. That’s just the nature of employment. And if the hospital decides to let the doc practice in whatever limited way they want to while still providing the service in question at their facility, there is no “enslavement” in that arrangement either. And as far as you are concerned, there should be nothing objectionable about it.

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Cactus man I’m too tired by you don’t understand the basic of various health care things which is leading to what’s a pretty silly position

doctors decline to do something for ethical reasons all the time. like giving ivermectin to a patient who demands it comes to mind. or er patients who show up in pain trying to score an oxy.

the abortion thing is not at all about forcing a doctor to perform one. it’s about the state creating legal hurdles to provide the service.

I took it pretty slow for a bit then got back to doing pretty normalish stuff, then delta hit and we’ve gone back into pseudo lockdown since I live in ruby red central Florida, but I still attended a couple soccer matches in Orlando and went to a mandatory vaccine/ negative test concert.

I still don’t feel completely normal being around people, but I dunno if I could have mentally taken being locked down completely again.

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