Yeah I don’t care if it doesn’t save lives. Plus I am confident ridicule and shame saves some lives. So I am not bothered by it.
I have always kind of done my own thing and made my own choices devoid of much peer pressure.
But when I see really smart people tell me peer pressure influences whether they wear a mask or not then I know ridicule and shame will work.
If it’s just one life I am cool with that. I don’t really care about all their feelings.
New Topic Tuesday!
I feel like I’ve revised my thoughts a little with regard to boosters, and I’m curious if my thinking is right.
My previous thoughts were, “Oh vaccine efficacy seems to be declining. So it’s natural that we might need boosters at some regular frequency. So boosters seem necessary and good.”
But I’m now wondering if that’s the right way to look at it. If my understanding is correct, the simple story is:
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Vaccines work in two ways: they immediately generate antibodies to the virus, and they generate some kind of immunological memory that will trigger antibody production in the presence of the virus.
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The presence of antibodies doesn’t reliably indicate whether someone has protection against the virus, because if your body can quickly generate antibodies in the presence of the virus, that’s good protection from serious consequences of the virus.
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Antibodies decline (or lose efficacy?) over time, because it’s costly for the body to constantly produce antibodies to the virus without any reason. So for someone without antibodies, but with the immunological memory, there’s likely to be a short period of time when faced with the virus that the body is ill-equipped to fight it. And in this short period (until the body responds by producing more antibodies) it’s possible for infection to take hold. But because the memory exists, the antibodies are quickly created and fight the virus before it can do real damage.
The reason I’m talking about this is that it’s changing the way that I’m looking at some of the vaccination/infection studies. Before, I hadn’t really distinguished between:
- vaccines lose a bunch of efficacy in preventing infection
and - vaccines lose a bunch of efficacy in fighting severe illness and death
But now, I think I’ve been looking at it wrong. It seems like the more accurate representation is:
- vaccines do lose a bunch of efficacy in preventing infection, because when the antibodies disappear several months after the vaccine, it opens the door for infection to take place.
BUT - vaccines do not lose a bunch of efficacy in preventing severe illness or death, because the memory and ability to generate new antibodies kicks in quickly enough to prevent those bad outcomes.
So if that’s the case, it seems like boosters might not be as necessary as I had been thinking. Does this sound right?
Sounds good. I’d add that antibodies are not the only kind of immune response, also, but it’s harder to measure T-cell response.
Yeah, from what Ive read, there’s a lot of uncertainty about how necessary boosters are (which is good news!)
Yup. Confirmed. Not the student I mentioned (yet) but one that was out of that class.
It’s infuriating that nobody is told about the students who test positive. Teachers don’t get test results of their students. Parents don’t get notified when their children’s classmates test positive. I suppose there’s some privacy issues with doing that though. Only way we found out about this was that enough teachers reported symptoms of students in the class to the principal. Basically, the principal put known close contacts in quarantine but kept the class going since most were vaccinated. Terrible idea.
Of course there are no masks in the lunchroom or in the classroom itself. The school will inevitably go online. It’s a matter of time now.
Despite being vaxxed, I’ll be masking up. Have to.
My dad is poor as hell. He’s always had a ton of heart attacks and damage from decades of hard drug use so his brain is mush.
Honestly it’s a simple as he’s on a team so he’s rooting for his team
Yeah I give that quote a rating of “misleading”. It makes it sound like breakthrough infections are super-rare, which doesn’t really seem to be the case.
In the video he made announcing that he had Covid, he said something like he threw the kitchen sink at it. He name checked monoclonal antibodies, z pack, vitamins, ivermectin, etc…
I am old enough to remember when we called these things super spreader events.
I wish COVID was part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe
Is it a super villain or maybe a super hero taking out RWNJs one at a time?
https://twitter.com/owillis/status/1435159175668150274
https://twitter.com/owillis/status/1435160120204402691
https://twitter.com/arthur_affect/status/1435323061859852290
From Riverman’s article
“I’ll be honest, I don’t watch a lot of the news, because stuff like that, you’re almost—you’re almost ashamed if you don’t have it. You know, you’re trying to kill people. If you don’t get the vaccine, you’re killing people. And so I don’t watch a lot of it. But no, to be honest, I haven’t. Nobody’s ever, that I’ve heard, came out and addressed: ‘Hey, here’s how we did this so quick.’” The articles about all the unvaccinated dead aren’t persuading him; they’re not even reaching him.
Keep in mind that this is the #1 strategy for pro vax folks, which anti vaxxers can defeat by changing the channel. They are further given a powerful incentive to change the channel because it makes them feel bad. This isn’t exclusive to them, ~everybody prefers media that makes them feel good.
Because Riverman didn’t link the article.
Such bullshit.
The mere act of watching news media is self-abuse. Ever feel better about the world after watching the news? Hell even if you did for a brief time, it didn’t last long likely because you made the foolish decision to watch the news another time.
These deplorables watch Hannity and Tucker for the sole purpose of being told what to be angry or depressed about. It’s their rush. Nobody watches those shows and comes out a happier person.
They’re not getting vaccinated and nobody’s changing their mind. They need to know that it’s not okay to be that way.
Are you disagreeing with me? Yes, watching the network news can be depressing, but that doesn’t mean one shouldn’t watch it.
Yes. They watch because they want to feel bad.
If feeling good boosted ratings, the top stories would all be firefighters saving cats from trees.
When somebody says they don’t watch something about vaccines because it makes them feel bad, they’re basically saying “Be nice to me so I can continue to be a terrible person without ever being held accountable for my actions thank you.”
Shame is a powerful tool and they should feel miserable in the last few minutes of their life for their actions.
It would be far more productive to shame people who are healthy.
Lol at the idea that Trumpers will start watching CNN again if we just stop shaming them on social media, which they never see.