Because gyms drive way more spread than curbside coffee to go? Like tons of spread vs very little.
It should all be shut down for a couple months and we should give everyone like $12K, but instead we’re left arguing over where to draw the line between additional spread and who should starve because their job isn’t important, which is a gross argument to have.
But a coffee shop with 3-5 employees who are not really exposed to anyone else except masked outdoors is way safer for all involved than gyms, bars, indoor dining, salons, etc.
The problem is that closing the shops is the economic impact on the poor people. The privileged ones are the ones complaining that they cant go to the gym, the ones who have to work there are the ones who are affected by closing down.
Poker almost by definition is a net negative on society, yeah. You take money from people who are dumber or less informed or intoxicated and making poor decisions or who have personality issues and offer nothing in return. You should feel some amount of shame about it that you chose it as a profession. You should also be embarrassed to call it “work” like you are putting in shifts sweeping floors or something. And yeah, that’s true for everyone else who plays poker as a profession. You act like you have no choice but to go to these games to make a living, like you are some front-line worker. Bull shit. You chose to play poker, despite the fact that you are clearly intelligent and capable to where you could have had a whole host of other careers in which you could earn a living remotely, rather than preying on suckers at a live poker game. That doesn’t mean your life is a net negative, though. I think you’re a decent person all around, but you should tap the breaks a bit before you come at me.
I don’t disagree, but these “dumber, less informed” people that I play against tend to be rich as shit and run businesses where they exploit employees while supporting pretty awful to horrific policies. So I’m not totally convinced taking their money and then using it to spend the rest of my free time volunteering in a food bank is actually negative in any way.
I do realize this is rationalization to some extent because gambling is surely a drain on society. But there’s a huge myth that a bunch of other jobs contribute to society when many or even most of them are worse negatives than poker player. Including many jobs done by people here who are good people. We live where and when we live.
I take money from people worth 10 to 2,500 times what I’m worth, and I provide entertainment in return.
None whatsoever and go to hell.
It’s as much work as a shift at any white collar job, I happen to enjoy it just like I enjoyed broadcasting. But I made less than minimum wage at that so I decided to take on a lifetime of shame. (Lol)
You’ve just insulted a huge percentage of this forum (some past some present), congrats.
Not at a moment’s notice. It’s not like WFH jobs are growing on trees right now, let alone for people with a big resume gap.
I went to school for something else, tried it, made shit money despite being good at it while getting passed over for people more connected and well off, and made the most +EV choice for myself in terms of happiness and finances in a decaying economic structure.
Dude you could sit outside in any number of safe places to socialize with 3-5 people with virtually no risk, instead you chose restaurants and bars. Judge my career all you want, I get it all the time in real life. But you own your shitty choices.
I’ve managed to socialize outdoors and distanced
in small groups when it’s 40 degrees outside, so I have zero sympathy for someone in Florida feeling the need to go to bars and restaurants.
This right here. There are plenty of poker players who use their time and money for good causes and are thus a net positive.
Yep, like there are plenty of corporate drones in this country who are huge net negatives on society, but they are held up as shining examples of being a positive member of society. Everyone can agree poker players are shit, though.
Surprised at the frequency with which it happens on this forum in particular, but oh well. IRL all I can do is laugh, there’s no explaining to these people why the financial planner at Goldman, social media engagement analytical person for Facebook, etc, etc are doing bad in the world.
Arrived in NYC last Sunday, today someone came by our apartment to check if we were quarantining (we are). Was surprised to have an actual person come check up on us. She called our phones while standing outside the apt to verify we were indeed here.
Honestly this thread reflects the ebb and flow of the pandemic as I’ve observed it. You see people losing interest, letting their guard down, more and more ITT being pozzed when for months there were none. I have friends who say that pretty much everyone they know is or has been pozzed, and even as they are feeling ill expressing excitement and relief that, now that they have it, they can go back to normal (these folks were obviously living mostly normal, which is why their entire circles are pozzed).
Like it or not, COVID-19 is now widely considered to be a disease that impacts the vulnerable with only vanishingly rare exception. Those of us staying inside are the oddballs, even as performative “lockdown” measures are popping up everywhere. But, the battle has been lost. The die has been cast. I’d say it is vaccine or bust, but even that is not true. It’s just bust.
What’s up with the vastly different timelines experts are giving?
I saw Fauci last week saying he thought regular healthy people would be able to get the vaccine in April. And then today I saw Biden people saying regular people won’t be able to get it until late summer or fall. Wat?
Pretty spot on. I’ve been grappling some internally with how to feel about this aspect. The vast majority of deaths actually are old or otherwise compromised people. That part the “It’s just a flu” crowd pretty much got right although covid is more dangerous than the flu for all adult age groups. The question then becomes what do we individually do about that? It seems like most people just don’t care about anyone but themselves and so if they kill someone with their behavior well it wasn’t them? And how could we know anyways how many we have killed?
I had the thought the other day that when I was much younger I used to drink and drive all the time. Yes that is a horrible behavior. But at the time I didn’t think I was a horrible person, after all I never killed anyone, never got a DUI and always made it home safely. It was easy to delude myself because I had not seen the consequences. That is pretty analagous to Covid. With Covid most youngs will never see the consequences of their behavior. So we have a bunch of dipshits acting like I did the morning after laughing to my friends about how I couldn’t remember driving home.
It is so bizarre because everybody I know in Australia, of varying ages and socio-economic positioning, takes it seriously and really really really fears getting it just for the potentially extraordinary pain it puts people through (let alone those it kills or causes long-lasting effects for). Again maybe anecdotal.
Did not know it was that high. Looking it up even not filling out the travel forum is a 2k fine.
Got I guy at work who broke NYS isolation rules by going to Ohio to pick up his kid. He turned me in to a supervisor for taking an extra long break a few weeks back. So tempting…
I’d imagine government signaling does a lot. Public statements from officials + real implementation (true quarantines in hotels for people arriving in the country as just one example) is a pretty powerful message that this is serious. In contrast our lockdown rules were always pretty halfassed and accompanied by a lot of contradicting messages about how dangerous certain things were or weren’t and that the real reason to do all of these things was to “protect Grandma.”
Also, the relatively low case rates in Australia means your anecdotal experience is a lot different than ours here. Even if we haven’t been pozzed, many people in the US have direct (friend/family member) or maybe one step removed (friend of a friend) experience with someone who had a bad case of Covid, but just based on the statistics, that means we also know lots of people who had it and recovered. I mean, our 70 year old obese president got it and was holding rallies by the next week, so it’s not surprising that a healthy 25 year old assumes they’ll be fine.
