Yeah, that’s my setup. I’ve got a few of the ones in that first photo. Maybe I’ll experiment some time this fall and report back.
it went through a full winter in China
We have freedoms in this country. If you want to shirtless into a store and they try to deny you due to no shirt then call the cops on them for discrimination.
Who are they to tell you to wear a shirt?
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And how many deaths of teachers and staff make it worth opening schools. Some will die so whats the acceptable number.
Many of the decisions taken over the last six months have not put children first - while pubs, restaurants and non-essential shops opened, the majority of children were not able to attend school.
“Even before the crisis struck, there were 2.2 million children in England living in households affected by any of the so-called ‘toxic trio’ of family issues: domestic abuse, parental drug and/or alcohol dependency, and severe parental mental health issues, including nearly 800,000 children living with domestic abuse and 1.6 million living with parents with severe mental health conditions,” it says.
“These numbers are likely to have swelled, fuelled by families locked down in close quarters for weeks and months, and an emerging economic crisis adding pressures on family finances.”
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While the precise role of children in the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 has been difficult to ascertain, a new article by Viner et al6 helps bring us a step closer to understanding these dynamics. A meta-analysis of contact tracing data reveals a significantly lower proportion of children acquiring the infection than adults from infected index cases within the household (odds ratio, 0.41; 95% CI, 0.22-0.76).
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NZ election, run basically entirely on COVID response from government, is headed for the biggest Labour party victory ever. Even described by analysts as the greatest electoral victory in NZ history! Maybe it tides well for USA as Labour are outperforming polling predictions.
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Isn’t that really the honest framing? That’s my entire point. We know schools aren’t safe. We know it will kill people and already has. The only debate should be whether having in person school is worth killing/disabling some amount of people and if so how many.
The whole school thing is just an extension of the rest of the bullshit with Covid. People don’t want to make the sacrifices to get the virus under control to more safely have school so instead we have people writing “Schools Are Safe” articles rather than facing reality.
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As @churchill posted, homes aren’t safe for a significant number of children. The analysis isn’t as simple as you and others are trying to make it out to be.
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Grew in MI, lived 12 years in MN. I’ve seen shorts down to 0. On my sons. The first day above freezing you’ll see outdoor basketball games in shorts and T-shirts.
When someone here in PA bitches about 20 degrees I just ask if they are talking 20 above or 20 below. That stops the whining usually.
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There’s also the moral argument of locking kids (3-16yrs) down, removing them from their more normal society when there’s good evidence they spread it less and are far less affected by it.
It’s Dad catching it at work or bowling, giving it to family at home and then kid getting pulled from school (either by school or family not sending kid in but was in yesterday etc.) that results in an under 16’s part school closure. Or the teacher pozzing and being traced back to OFB not OFS.
The calc should be how much do we have to reverse OFB to ensure we can OFS (schools being under 16yrs) - that’s how every other country doing it
Get covid under control (A) and then we can have in person class (B). I am so tired of being presented false choices.
It’s A and then B— not A or B.
If case incidence was 10-50 fold less then we could open up with good masking/distancing/ventilation protocols and a monitoring. But of course it would take a severe lockdown to get there so nope.
And I’m sorry. In person inside dining is just stupid.
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The state did and will continue to screw this up. The city of Indianapolis is still in stage 4 (still too high)
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The issue is that A is never going to happen in the US in the current climate and stopping in person school is not going to change that. So open for school is the reasonable thing to do because the vast majority of children will be better off if you do. It sucks that people don’t want to give up indoor dining and drinking and won’t wear masks but closing schools won’t change that while too many vulnerable children will have massive disadavantages if schools stay remote only.
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Nice post - just picking one bullet point as a lead in…
Remember this?
March when NZ had 28 cases and their leadership … well their leadership just led.
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I’m not saying the analysis is simple. I agree we might possibly actually be better off with schools open. What I am saying is people acting like schools are “safe” are presenting the discussion dishonestly.
Of course schools being open is going to lead to more death and more cases. The only real question is whether that is better than the damage inflicted on kids by doing virtual school.
I’m not qualified to say one way or another on that. I’m just pointing out school isnt safe based on everything we know about the virus.
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433 cases per 100,000 in the Czech Republic over the last 7 days. Belgium’s ranked 2nd with 378.
Over 11,000 new cases yesterday. Having 0.11% of the population testing positive covid in one day is not good.
If distance learning becomes indefinite, I’d consider going to a safer place temporarily. Estonia only has 16 cases per 100,000 during that time. Germany has 40.
Universal schooling is a modern invention. (A good one). But it is lack of leadership that’s the problem not just OFS.
A really involved CDC with some help from OSHA and EPA could have some real federal guidelines for school operations. I’m not uncertain that some simple air flow manipulation can’t make things much safer.
As has been mentioned elsewhere, the concept of 4 weeks on 2 weeks off (or similar) could also really help. Same for OFB. Keep it knocked down.
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One of my students has tested positive for covid. Was having just a mild cough earlier in the week. Got it from his brother. Now the cough is worse, he’s super-tired and is having some issues related to concentration and memory. Whether that’s a direct symptom of covid or the other symptom’s impact is unclear.
Covid is a motherucker and honestly kind of horrifying. Guy is 18 and he’s having neurological problems? Shit.
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It’s so insidious with its range of sickness. So many get a no or only mild symptoms while a fairly small fraction get severe. Then even the mild cases can linger with all kinds of longer term effects.
If it just killed like the 1918 flu no one would mess with it.
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