COVID-19: Chapter 5 - BACK TO SCHOOL

Derek Lowe has a post on the AstraZeneca halt:

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/09/09/serious-adverse-event-time

Probably worth noting that according to a July 12 information sheet given to trial participants, this is the second time a participant developed transverse myelitis. The first participant was subsequently diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, which is a known cause of the condition. There are 17,000 current participants in the trial, so it’s hard to know what to make of this. Weird stuff happens with big numbers of people.

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Meh. I’ve got like 11 old panels on the side of my house that I can’t use for a customer. Anyone here is welcome. They are on offer-up and I’ve sold a few.

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I don’t think this is correct

Can I use them for camping?

Lifetime incidence of TM is 4.6 per million people, so 1 in 220,000 or so people, so it is unlikely to be observed in a group of 17,000 individuals at all, in their lifetimes, let alone specifically during the study period of the vaccine and particularly when a case has already been observed in the trial cohort (even if associated with MS). It’s not anything like impossible that it’s unrelated, but it is definitely suggestive of a vaccine side effect, as it’s also not some mysterious association. TM is known to sometimes be caused by immune responses, which is exactly what the vaccine is trying to elicit.

Edit: Also should note that the sample size is really 8,500 participants, as half of those 17,000 got placebo, and we now know that this woman did in fact receive the vaccine.

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What’s the prognosis for the TM that she got?

Like I could last a long, long time on 150k if I was single, but I also have 3-4 different people who would give me 60-100k/yr jobs, no questions asked, if I wanted. I’d feel different at 100k with no backup plan.

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Yes. You may need a charge controller/battery/inverter depending on what you want to do.

They are old old - like 20 years old. They work, but they are large for how much power they produce.

No idea how severe her case is. Wiki says a third of people recover completely, a third experience partial recovery with ongoing symptoms like spastic gait, and a third of people never recover. The problems caused by TM are what you’d expect from spinal nerve injury, i.e. a smorgasbord of autonomic, sensory and motor neuronal dysfunctions.

Right and keep in mind that the amount of money I have includes my entire bankroll, so reducing it or taking it toward zero means when this is over I have reduced or taken to zero my ability to earn money at my chosen profession.

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Do you think you will be able to focus when the guy on your left has his nose hanging out and sneezes? Or multiple people are pulling their masks off as the night progresses after having a few drinks? Biting your tongue when the whale says how the coronavirus is a hoax? How long of a session are you expected to play?Are you guaranteed to be invited back consistently? How are you going to feel after the session?

I Haven’t went back to private games I worked hard to get into but that’s mostly because I have an 8month old and poker wasn’t my only source of income. If that wasn’t the case I’m not sure what I would do. I think people on here are more or less going to say it’s a terrible idea.

No I’ll be leaving if noses are out.

One is liberal and the other I’m not sure but he’s enforcing the mask rule and blocked another whale who wouldn’t wear one… So I don’t think that’s an issue.

The biggest whale in the game is even more outspokenly anti-Trump than me. He’s so wealthy I was shocked he was liberal, and his level of wealth and whaleness made him the only person I was buying my tongue for. So it was pretty funny the first time he unloaded on some climate change denier at the table and called him an idiot.

I’m guessing 4-8 hours.

95% confident that’s a yes.

That’s the $300/hr question.

Yeah, pretty much agree. I said no to my usual private game with no masks 3 times from April til now, but two months of no income and an even more lucrative game with masks has me ready to risk it.

AZ isn’t the only vaccine study going on.

It’s an open question if it is related, and I’ll agree that it requires closer analysis and surveillance. But your statements here are far too definitive and there’s no way you have access to any sort of data to say it was likely caused by the vaccine. Hell, there’s press statements about how we don’t even know for sure this is TM.

I don’t think you can talk about the MS case as you are here. MS messes with the spinal cord, vaccine or no vaccine. I don’t see why it would be related.

@Danspartan what percentage of a place’s peak cases would you consider to still be a hot zone?

An example is a place had 7,000 case in a week at its peak, and now has 2,500 in a week. Do you consider that still quite hot? I’m putting something together and am trying to figure out what percentage of fall should be considered ‘good’ from the peak and what shouldn’t.

Voting trump the first time for economic gain made you Deplorable.

Still supporting him now that you know the cost of that gain makes you Despicable.

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Optimistic?

He’s so pessimistic that we will get back on track soon (good reason for that) that he is going to risk his health for money.

It’s not optimistic when people start giving up.

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Holy fuck what is going on with this graph. Title sure isn’t “y-axis variable vs. x-axis variable.” Great job choosing two almost identical shades of off-white so that I can’t tell which y-axis corresponds to which dataset. How did you chose to scale the two datasets? It’s curious that they overlap at the big spike… hey wait a minute…

So, I would yell at this guy if I were his Science 101 TA, but more importantly, the four day window seems to show that increased testing correlates with increased positives? I thought this guy’s whole deal was that increased positives are only due to increased testing and the scientists are trying to hide that? I don’t even understand what the conspiracy is supposed to be at this point.

Goddamn, I’ve been staring at this for too long and I don’t even understand what his point is supposed to be. It’s elementary that at some level you will get more pozzes if you do more tests, but also he helpfully shows us a spot (“Until you don’t”) where that isn’t the case?

By god, the knob slobberers in the comments are the best part. It’s like the cult of BruceZ up in there.

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Not one of those knob slobbers could put what this graph is trying to say in their own words.

Remember the dude just doesn’t have time to explain his stuff in plain English. But he does somehow have time to crank out these fancy graphics.

Yeah, you nailed it Nicholas.

This pandemic is only getting worse between now and late March barring a miracle on a vaccine. I’ve watched my available work from home poker income deteriorate over the last couple months, and the timing coincides with a huge chunk of this country getting straight up fucked financially by the economy during the pandemic. We have nothing but incompetence in the White House and a wanton disregard for 90% of the country in the Senate, so that’s not getting much better anytime soon either.

Meanwhile, I was a dumbass under the illusion that my money spent the same as anyone else’s despite my profession. I made enough and had enough that I thought I had afforded myself a level of security in a selfish society and system that only values money. I figured I have a legal job, so once I can show the money, I’m going to get the treatment any self-employed independent contractor would get with similar income and savings. It’s not like I’m a criminal!

My apartment situation and house search made it clear to me that to the people who make those decisions, that’s exactly what I am to them. A hustler. A risk. Less than.

So I may need to come with a lot more than 20% down to ever buy a house. I had to jump through hoops to rent a townhouse.

So add it all up and it’s a fucked situation, and this feels like my best chance to protect myself beyond the next five months. If I wait 5 months and I’m no longer bankrolled for my games, I can’t let the rest of my roll dwindle, I’d have to jump into live 2/5 somewhere in a casino with way more people coming and going and way less financial upside, or find some other work.

I guess the alternative is finding a full-time work from home job at $20-25 per hour to tread water, but those don’t exactly grow on trees right now for poker pros with a huge resume gap.

That’s all best case. Let’s explore worst case. Vaccines don’t work, this is at least a 2-3 year thing and like 80% of us are getting it at least once. Trump wins, and his rhetoric and brutality go up a level. He forces blue states to reopen by refusing to give any aid to states that aren’t fully open. Herd immunity or bust. The incompetence in his administration slows the economic recovery.

RBG dies in the next few years, and the ACA goes away within 6 months - now with pre-existing conditions my healthcare goes from $400-500/mo to $1,600-2400/mo I’m guessing. It was $1,000-1,200 when I was 22, with only allergies and asthma. 12 years later add sleep apnea and a pandemic and inflation (which is worse in healthcare than overall) and who the fuck knows?

Meanwhile the fabric of our society is unraveling. Probably 1 in 3 times I drive someone blatantly runs a stop sign or red light right in front of me, and it’s only getting worse. I consider this a leading indicator of bad things to come. A lot of people are realizing this country is every man for himself who never knew it before, and that our unspoken societal contract is being replaced by “LOL fuck you.”

First it’s running stop signs, being rude to others, breaking little rules, etc. Then what? I don’t like to think about the answer.

In this game I can make enough in one night a week to not only pay my expenses but re-strengthen my financial position and mitigate some of the downside in a worst case scenario. I can also solidify a spot in a game that is recession proof because the drivers of the action are so absurdly wealthy. If things don’t go down the worst case path, within 1-3 years the landlords can all fuck off, and then my money will spend the same as anyone else’s.

If I do well in the game in October and Biden wins, and cases are going up or it’s not safe, maybe I back out for a while and revisit it later. But I expect cases to blow up in Nov-Feb, so this may be my last best shot.

So yeah it’s pessimism about the pandemic, the economy, American society and the very fabric of this country. It’s not optimism or feeling safe from COVID. It’s feeling unsafe from everything else.

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