Yes, since Vaccination efficacy for coronavirus is probably going to hit the 70-90% mark, people who don’t get it are going to hurt a significant portion of those who do and don’t develop immunity. That’s why you need everyone getting it.
Even if we’ve all had it by then (which is basically not possible) who’s to say we won’t have people getting it more than once? 1-1000 seems like an absolutely insane range to pick.
This is good. Just use an incognito browser if you’re short on free articles. The Atlantic is cool like that. And I’ve got my fave quotes below for fast-paced readers.
The war continues, from the days of the Memmingers, from the days of the Jeffersons. Again and again, white Americans have sacrificed the freedom from in pursuit of the freedom to . Again, and again, the price of those decisions has fallen on the heads of people of color.
Some Americans want to live in a society that frees them, as individuals, by subjugating the community. That was the psyche of the slaveholder, who believed he was free only if the community was enslaved.
The author states that we have ever been a house divided between people seeking the FREEDOM TO HARM vs people seeking FREEDOM FROM HARM. Just as in the Civil War, we now see in the age of COVID people fighting over the FREEDOM TO INFECT vs FREEDOM FROM INFECTION.
From the beginning of the American project, the powerful individual has been battling for his constitutional freedom to harm, and the vulnerable community has been battling for its constitutional freedom from harm.
Memminger, too, spoke for South Carolinians who wanted their freedom to run their lives and businesses unrestrained, unregulated, uncontrolled, uninhibited by any local or federal government. Damn community control if it is not supporting the freedom of the individual to harm the health and wellness of the community. Damn stay-at-home orders restraining the individual for health of the community. The individual is king.
Slaveholders could have responded to apocalyptic antislavery resistance by abolishing slavery and redistributing land and rights and resources to black and white and indigenous peoples alike. Likewise, Trump could have responded to deepening economic pain from stay-at-home orders by imploring Congress to provide enough public assistance that the community could be free of economic and bodily worry as people ride out the pandemic in homes, or outside homes as essential workers thoroughly protected. But then and now, not all Americans value communal freedom.
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I assume the same vaccine will be going through the regulatory process in multiple countries at the same time?
Like, if we’re worried the Trump admin is fucking with the process in the U.S. and it gets approved here first, can we just wait for Canada to approve it?
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Are the protections those of us who get vaccinated enjoy reduced by the 50% who do not? As in it gives the virus more chance to mutate and the vaccine to be less useful if it is still circulating? [/quote]
Yup! On the flip side, the people who get it are going to develop some kind of immune response or die off.
Yes.
I wonder if the rest of the world is going to have some kind of travel restriction on the US, like you can’t come in without proof of vaccination.
Assuming that there is a super effective vaccine at some point, I’d be shocked if proof of it wasn’t standard for country-to-country travel.
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Yea, I can’t imagine whatever travel restrictions on people from the US that are in place now will go away any time soon. It’s at the point where I’d expect large corporations to move as much of their operation overseas as possible, starting within the next few months.
There’s a novel idea! 
I can think of two reasons to be optimistic about (something akin to) herd immunity:
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T cells. I believe there have only been a couple studies on this, and the sample sizes have been small. But they seem to suggest somewhere between 25% and 50% of people – who have NOT had covid – have pre-existing T cells that help protect against it. Now, as far as I understand, the T cells don’t actually prevent you from getting the virus. It just makes symptoms less severe. But could it also help prevent spreading the virus to others? Maybe if it causes viral load to be lower? I don’t know. At the very least, it should help prevent the spread because of time: if people fight it off more quickly, there’s less time for them to spread it to others.
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The “low-hanging fruit” idea. I think it’s best to think of the population as being on a spectrum for how likely they are to contract the virus. If you work in a meat-packing plant, or if you live in a small house with 10 people, or if you’re a MAGA idiot who doesn’t wear a mask, you’re going to be MUCH more likely to get covid compared to average. Thus, the percentage of people from those groups who have already had covid also must be higher than average. Thus, the average uninfected person will continue to be less and less likely to get covid over time.
Now, I can think of lots of reasons to be pessimistic, too. I wouldn’t take the side that we’re going to hit herd immunity any time soon. But I do think it’s possible. Add the above two points to the likely 15% to 20% of people who have already had covid, and mayyyybe we can get to R<1.
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Probably. The US and EU will almost certainly be reviewing it concurrently, probably the UK as well.
Highly dependent on Biden winning. Though it could be low by 2021 because w live in a post nuclear holocaust world and there aren’t that many alive to infect. You know who you are…
I have always taken that from the very beginning. The English thought the Pilgrims and Puritans were insufferable nut jobs. Basically they came here to be free to persecute. And they are still at it.
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Mexico is going to keep their schools closed nationwide. The replacement is lessons aired on TV instead of normal programming.
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No shit
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keeping the windows closed to own the libs! these scientists always lie to us. just some pro window opening grift no doubt. probably trying to get funding for some bs window opening study.
sorry i just love the idea of politicizing everything and arguing everything now thanks to donald trump.
like oh you just believe everything a scientist tells you about opening windows? ya i learn to think for myself and keep windows closed thanks not falling for this scam.
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More no shit. we said this back in March itt
https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1290424340459270149?s=21
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Then they will leave and spread the virus.
LOL Fauci