Clovis, you need to understand that gender identity and transgender rights are silly, frivolous things that the Dems need to toss under the bus in order to stop the Pentagon. It’s a little weird that the hard-right pro-war guys also want to shit on transgender people, but I guess that’s just how solidarity works.
You’re like this close to using “SJW” unironically, I love it.
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Socially PROGRESSIVE, but willing to compromise on literally everything else. Sounds like the modern Democrat! Medicare for all? Fuck you. End the endless wars and drastically curb military spending? Nah, fuck you and fuck all poor brown people everywhere.
I never fat shamed ITT. I agreed 5’7 250 is unhealthy AF while the white knights white knighted. Keep moving those goalposts so we can get back to propping up a dotty old rapist who will EXPAND police and military spending, do literally nothing on M4A and placate the upper middle class white people that have been uncomfortable the last 4 years.
If I was so progressive on sex that I basically ran my own Dan Savage thread, I’d probably have some issue supporting a creepy old war hawk who repeatedly touches women inappropriately and is very likely guilty of sexual assault. But that’s probably just me being a bigot and not understanding his orientation and pronouns.
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Sorry. I’ll get back to 200 post details about restaurants, baseball stats, video games and fat shaming.
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JFC sometimes I feel like people on this forum remain willfully ignorant to non-white-dude matters.
Five seconds of googling. Surprise surprise, it’s a subject full of nuance.
Non-thin people have gotten shit medical treatment and suffered social torment for generations because doctors and society have assumed they are lazy and unhealthy and somehow bad. Which means you should tread lightly before painting people you consider overweight with a broad brush of all being unhealthy. Or better yet, just say nothing at all.
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Look, I understand the energy you’re bringing. I’ve voted for Bernie every chance I’ve had. I was against this stupid fucking forever war since 9/11/2001. I understand why people can’t bring themselves to vote for Biden because he is indeed a horrible candidate and I don’t want to vote for him. Hear me out for a minute.
The LGBQT community is not your enemy. I honestly don’t understand this whole fat shaming thing, but I’m pretty sure those anti-fat shaming guys are not the proximate cause of the latest military funding bill. There is absolutely no scenario where we break bread with the alt-right and agree to defend the military in exchange for tossing LGBQT people under the bus.
Like, I haven’t bothered to look this up, but I would bet the transgender community shares your views on the forever-wars. idk what’s going on with Clovis and the pro-fat crowd or whatever, but I’m pretty sure they’re anti-war too. They’re your natural allies! And you’re just shitting on them for no reason, that’s not how solidarity works.
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Guilty as charged, tbh. This obesity hing is new territory for me.
I’m going to Disneyworld
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New territory isn’t the same as willfully ignorant. There are definitely facets of non-cis-white-guyness that I’m clueless about.
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I’m overweight. I hike up a mountain every other weekend. My legs and lungs are in great shape. I eat ok but not great. All that fat hanging around my torso can’t be healthy in the long run, right?
I may be misunderstanding the tweet but this seems like clear evidence of progress no? I don’t know why we have to debate whether social issues are inferior to economic issues, but gay people didn’t all get married in one fell swoop either.
Maybe after your five seconds of googling you could spend some time and actually read the article.
They pretty much concede right off the bat that obese is unhealthy – which is exactly what the person who kicked off the discussion is. Do you at least admit that, or is even that too much?
The majority of the article talks about people who are a bit above normal BMI (but not obese) might still be healthy and the conflicting evidence.
If you want to do a deep dive into what the optimal BMI might be and studies about it, we should probably take it elsewhere. Feel free to start a new thread.
Here’s where we’ll end up though: You’re doing what the climate change deniers do. The overwhelming evidence and the consensus of most experts shows that obesity leads to poor health outcomes I’m sure we can find a few studies or a few experts that may seem contrary to that, just like we can find a handful climate change scientists that who will say there is no global warming. How convincing do you find those people?
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Stating scientific facts about health/weight is not being “super excited about shaming people for their weight”.
It’s actually the opposite of what you are trying to say, they aren’t gleefully pointing out fatness, they are trying to educate overweight people with the risks that come with being unhealthy.
Just because you don’t like a fact doesn’t make it untrue and people (especially americans) need to be less offended at every little thing that they are told that they don’t want to hear.
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How is obesity outside the scope of the cis-white-male experience? Obese white dudes are plentiful.
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Did you even read the article you posted?
But even if you know nothing of science and don’t want to learn/read any causes/reasons. Just look at society. How many obese people have you seen that make it to 100 years of age? 90? 80?
I’m sure that has nothing to do with being obese being unhealthy.
Can we not?
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Bathrooms and pronouns are vitally important. I also agree that the forever war is a bigger issue.
We can try and help trans kids and be anti war.
You’re probably being hyperbolic, but when you appear to trivialize trans rights, it is gonna upset people.
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Not a mod or nothing but we should probably cool it on all sides.
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God what a terrible discussion. There’s massive conflation of “overweight” and “obese” going on here. Being obese is pretty much unhealthy full stop, there is not really any serious debate on this. The health impact of being overweight is more questionable, as the Atlantic article goes into. Even if you demonstrate an association between being overweight and poor health, which not every study does, there’s the question of causality. Being overweight is associated with causative third variables such as not exercising and eating poorly. You can try to control for that stuff but it’s very difficult.
It’s an extremely bad idea to take at face value the results of observational studies looking at a single variable. These studies have an incredibly bad track record in human health, especially in nutrition. One of the most famous examples concerns whether the use of estrogen in post-menopausal women lowers rates of cardiovascular disease. There had been some 30 observational studies, all of which showed a lowered risk. The evidence was good enough that some felt that a randomized double-blind trial would be unethical. Nonetheless, such a large trial went ahead and the results were that risk was not lowered at all (actually increased during the first year). All 30 observational studies had the same biases built into them - for example selection biases in the sort of women who seek hormone replacement, biases in catching the cardiovascular disease early, etc.
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