Maricopa County has changed a ton over the last six weeks. End of March was like Super Bowl Sunday, now it’s almost back to normal.
I’m glad today was the day that the White House predicted that we would be down to zero deaths. So happy this is over and that we are getting back OPEN FOR BUSINESS:
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Looks bad, thankfully no one catches corona on the weekends, so we have a chance to get those trends back down.
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The new deplorable line is that hydroxychloriquine is simply synthetic quinine so we should all just get shitfaced on tonic mixers and we will beat this thing
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Sorry I got way behind with this thread again. Has this been posted yet?
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/t-cells-found-covid-19-patients-bode-well-long-term-immunity
This raises quite a few interesting questions and discussion points but I’ll wait in case the thread has already “done that” with this.
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Well, earlier this morning the thread was discussing the opposite of that article, so good timing.
Fuck off. The context was an article about certain kinds cold possibly having antibodies that help with covid.
If you paid any attention on here - I talked about the antibody test. I was curious about the process and like a good scientist I wanted to rule out the very low probability that that weird cough that everyone got was some kind of mild strain.
I came away of the whole process with no confidence in the antibody test, but the negative result was still enough to satisfy my curiosity, A positive result would have made me a lot more curious to dig in more.
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Maybe post less if you’re not really going to pay attention to this thread.
Again, no one thinks you can’t get it in a hot humid place with high population density, just that it’s not the virus’s sweet spot.
Haiti could definitely become a problem.
In the Dominican Republic, which draws tourists from around the world, cases surged to the highest level in the Caribbean. In Haiti, which had grown more isolated during a year of political violence, the population appeared to have been largely spared.
But over the last few weeks, that has begun to change, as tens of thousands of Haitian workers have returned from the Dominican Republic to their own country, many bringing the virus with them. That flow of returnees is expected to spark an outbreak that the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere will be unable to fight.
“This epidemic is a tinderbox in the process of burning and will explode in the coming weeks,” said Jean William Pape, a doctor who is the co-director of Haiti’s presidential commission on the novel coronavirus.
Haiti has four medical centers with a total of 200 beds treating patients with covid-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus. The government and NGOs are planning to set up more facilities, but several communities have opposed the construction of such centers, which they worry could spread the virus in their neighborhoods.
“There are 200 beds, and models predict that we will need up to 9,000 beds at the peak,” Pape said. “The number of predicted cases is as high as 313,000. Haiti is not prepared — many hospitals are refusing to work to diagnose and treat covid patients due to lack of [personal protective equipment], stigma and no preparation.”
If Haiti doesn’t blow up and somehow muddles through this, like a lot of poorer hot weather countries are, wouldn’t you say that is a data point in the favor that heat and humidity at least knocks down R a little?
Prana this is the context of my post on 2p2 that you made fun of because you couldn’t even be bothered to follow the conversation and just latched onto a sentenece that looked funny to you.
The results suggest “one reason that a large chunk of the population may be able to deal with the virus is that we may have some small residual immunity from our exposure to common cold viruses,” says viral immunologist Steven Varga of the University of Iowa. However, neither of the studies attempted to establish that people with crossreactivity don’t become as ill from COVID-19.
In before, my friend’s grandma got covid, and she had a cold once - so bad news for team “past colds are going to save us”. (Repeated several times a week for however long this lasts.)
I don’t care how you do it, but this story needs to get into your book somehow.
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Dems really should just propose a waiver that allows people to do whatever they want, in exchange for being deprioritized at hospitals if they get sick. Go lick some doorknobs and make out with some strangers, but with freedom comes personal responsibility for your choices - you don’t get to be an idiot and then take a ventilator or a bed away from a locked down granny.
Obviously this doesn’t flatten the curve and is a horrible plan in general terms, but relative to available alternatives… It’s worth considering.
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For the it only kills the olds crowd. 43yo male, no significant medical history, zero comorbidities, dead on day 27 post positive covid-19 test.
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I’ve never been to Haiti so I acknowledge there’s a chance I’m being extremely ignorant, but I assume there are a lot of multi-generational households in small spaces?
It seems like Haiti would be a place where it might not spread as rapidly during the day (lots of people outdoors, no A/C, warm weather) but would get almost everyone in almost every household where it did spread. Thus you’d still have rapid spread, regardless of the heat/open air. Also I assume they have way less PPE and way fewer people wearing masks.
It’s tough to ever make direct comparisons because of the vast differences. Even in like NYC and San Fran, let alone USA vs Haiti. So it’s about understanding what conclusions we can draw, what theories have merit, and what is most likely coincidence/noise.
I feel comfortable at this point saying that heat is less of a direct cure and more of something that leads to better outcomes because of how people respond to the weather. We know being outdoors is safer than being indoors, we think Vitamin D levels help, we know direct sunlight can kill it - thus also reducing outdoor spread (to the extent that smear transmission is prevalent).
As a result, I would posit that temperatures of 65-80 are better than 81+, you want people outside rather than hunkered down in a/c.
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Yeah and I’m going to quote this before what I’m about to say because I think suzzer is great, and other than sometimes having too much faith in the legal process I’m a big fan of simp’s posting too. I think both are very intelligent.
That’s why it scares me to see some of the nonsense coming from the two of them lately (assuming that maybe this cold makes me immune thing was legit and not a joke). I think this whole situation is wearing on people and it’s manifesting itself in some bad ways in terms of thought processes.
People want things to be safe because they want to be able to do things, so they start twisting their brain into a pretzel to justify it. Maybe the Heineken will kill the virus. Maybe the cold gave me immunity.
Like I may be guilty of the opposite - twisting things to fit a very very risk-averse approach to this. Hard to tell, and I think part of that is my personal calculus as a person with a risk factor and many life-years to protect. But none the less this seems important to point out.
Even among those who are staying logical, there is more testiness and lashing out - I do think we’ve done a good job not taking that stuff personally and just letting people vent and understanding that very few of us are actually assholes.
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loooool. Holy shit. Sorry bro. I definitely don’t read over there and did skim. Like I said, don’t take my posts personally. As for posts here, I have a business to run so can’t keep up on the hundreds of posts per day.
I think of this excerpt from one of my favorite books often these days.
Public support must be husbanded as a finite national resource. It must be spent wisely, sparingly, and with the greatest return on your investment. America is especially sensitive to war weariness, and nothing brings on a backlash like the perception of defeat.
I say “perception” because America is a very all-or-nothing society. We like the big win, the touchdown, the knockout in the first round. We like to know, and for everyone else to know, that our victory wasn’t only uncontested, it was positively devastating.
If not…well…look at where we were before the Panic. We didn’t lose the last brushfire conflict, far from it. We actually accomplished a very difficult task with very few resources and under extremely unfavorable circumstances. We won, but the public didn’t see it that way because it wasn’t the blitzkrieg smackdown that our national spirit demanded.
Too much time had gone by, too much money had been spent, too many lives head been lost or irrevocably damaged. We’d not only squandered all our public support, we were deeply in the red.
- excerpt from World War Z by Max Brooks
Yeah I got hooked on the travel vlog Clovis posted in here recently - it’s been a great little escape for me overall, but I was thinking along those lines last night while watching an episode about a Thai cooking school. I was like “Damn that woman has a cool business/job. She probably makes way more than most people there and does something she loves around people having fun all day… Fuck, she may be completely screwed right now. No tourists = no money.”
Even in places you wouldn’t think of (this is in Chiang Mai - I’m a geography buff and hadn’t even heard of it three days ago), there are tons of people who work servicing tourists.
Not virus specific, basically applies to everything and everyone: people don’t change their opinions to fit the facts, they change the facts to fit their opinions.