COVID-19: Chapter 4 - OPEN FOR BUSINESS

When I was in school the denatured alcohol was easy to obtain.

The pure ethanol was basically in a fucking vault with lots of checks and paperwork. It might have been easier to rob a liquor store undetected.

I guess sometimes you could run an experiment and have a bit left over, but it would be hard to get a whole lot more than what you needed.

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A friend sent me this. He’s fairly smart and doesn’t have any strong political thoughts that I’m aware of. Says this article was being passed around in a couple of his social circles and he knows I’m pretty well informed / super anti the UK government so he’d like my thoughts on it.

Of course I’m only well informed because I read threads like this, I have ~no relevant expertise beyond being semi literate with stats and spreadsheets and happening to work in sales for a PPE supplier. So I told him I’d ask for feedback here instead.

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How so? Given my asthma, I can’t smoke it. It seems like my addiction risk is low with two 2mg doses of gum per week. I guess the main risk would be it does the trick nicely so I expand that usage during a WSOP or something and get hooked.

As for negatives, are we only talking cost?

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Also Michael Levitt circa March13th:

I was responsible for the pure ethanol once at a lab. I had to keep it in a locked cabinet inside a locked room and had to keep a log book to keep track of any bottles that I dispensed. The scientists would submit a signed form stating their use and typically request bottles one pint at a time. I have a feeling some of these bottles didn’t get used in the lab. (And I think all this security was primarily to protect the states tax revenue? I can’t imagine why else it was such a big deal.)

Seems like he’s basing his numbers off what China is reporting. Seems to be a critical error to be making.

When I was in middle school I stole a small strip of manganese off of my science teacher’s desk. When she noticed it was missing she started talking about how whoever took it was going to burn their hand off. So I chickened out and never used it.

Just the flu bro

“there are years when flu is raging, like in the U.S. in 2017, when there were three times the regular number of mortalities. And still, we did not panic. That is my message: you need to think of corona like a severe flu. It is four to eight times as strong as a common flu, and yet, most people will remain healthy and humanity will survive.” - Michael “:clown_face:” Levitt

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I was playing devil’s advocate airing similar arguments on here with many of the exact same data points as evidence…

…a month ago.

It’s just a shallow right-wing-adjacent viewpoint that gets readily updated to fit whatever the latest data are (see WichitawDM’s response) and doesn’t stand up to any real rigor.

Riddle me this: Albany Georgia and Florence South Carolina are almost exactly the same metro areas in terms of population size (~200,000 people), demographics, poverty rate, layout, climate, etc.

Florence has had 23 deaths from COVID-19.
Albany has had 188.

He has to provide a better explanation than “magical things seemed to happen in Florence SC that caused the virus to stop!” He has to give SOME sort of theory. Because the “Albany started social distancing much later in its curve than Florence did” explanation seems VERY plausible.

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What “nicotine addiction” comment are you referring to? Is this the prior post you mention that has more detail? Was it recent? I can look for it if you remember the timeframe.

Could you tell me what you mean by addicted to nicotine? Or “addiction” in general. When I say an addiction, I mean a compulsive behavior that may or may not involve a physical dependency.

For example, caffeine is easily among the most abused substances across the world. I consume around 125-300mg per day. I use it for a few specific purposes and sometimes for the physical sensation. It’s a damn fine drug. I look forward to my first morning sip, but I also rarely consume caffeine past the evening because it will interfere with my sleep. I don’t have too much too fast because it fills me with so much energy that I experience it as anxiety or terror. I moderate my consumption because while the benefits are substantial, disregulated consumption would cause far more harm to me than good.

A lot of people have a hyper-compulsive relationship with caffeine. They mainline it so often that they actually need a little to fall asleep. If they can’t have it, they will go to great lengths to find some. Maybe they’re not willing to sell their car for a fix, but they’ll exploit ease of access to ensure they always have a fix handy as sure as most of us keep our phones within an arm’s reach while we sleep.

So when I am discussing nicotine use independent of smoking, I am interested in hearing anecdotes and data that illustrate the possible and probable relationships people have with that drug. If cuse has a relationship with nicotine in the same way I have a relationship with caffeine, I think he’ll do well by it. If he has a relationship with nicotine like I have with Unstuck :heart: :heart: :heart: then he is in trouble.

Not to mention we have a whole range of lockdowns ranging from Wuhan to Sweden and everything in between. There is a clear correlation when you look at the curves to the severity of the lockdown. If it was just magic and topped out at some predetermined small percentage of population regardless of government intervention like he theorizes this wouldn’t be possible.

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US 3x closer to herd immunity - suck it Merkel!

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Almost everyone smart in this forum two months ago knew England and The USA would be hit worse due to their leadership. Anyone acting surprised now or saying it’s hindsight is dumb.

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So everywhere is just opening up, not just the US

The whole world gonna go for herd immunity, apparently

Opening up means vastly different things in Europe vs. The US. For most of them opening up is pretty analogous to our lockdowns.

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Every class should do that:

Driver’s Ed: Don’t drive drunk kids. But if you are going to drive drunk - at least go slow and stay off the highway.

Shop: Don’t fuck around with the power tools. But really don’t fuck around with the router or table saw - okay?

PE: Don’t aim for the nuts in dodgeball! But especially not Timmy - he’s got a twisted testicle.

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MUH CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!!! Time for bloodshed!

What’s hilarious/sad is that in red states and the country - all these right-wing derper idiots find a scapegoat other than the person leading to vilify and intimidate - Fauci, Dr. Acton in Ohio, or the local mayor. But in blue states they just go straight for the governor. Not partisan politics though. Just MUH FREEDOMZ.

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Lol lockdown

Let’s run through my neighbors around Easter (peak distancing). Most nights are block party in front of my house. They touch hands faces and generally don’t keep their distance. The kids play without restriction (including contact type activities).

A B C
D E F

I’m (E).

A is a Vietnamese family. They run a nail salon. They mandated to close it down, instead they open it only for people they “know” (other Vietnamese people in their social circle).

B is an electrician and wife works in a government contracting office. Wife basically got furloughed but husband still working about 30 hours a week in the field. They think it’s all a hoax and never changed activities if given a choice.

C not sure what the husband does but the wife is an ICU nurse, she also shared the Bakersfield “hoax” video on social media. Clearly not concerned as they have biweekly house parties with dozens of people present.

D both were given option to work from home almost immediately but chose not to. Daughter still in daycare even now that they were sent home.

E) me, we are quarantined, other than picking up food in the drive through lane at the grocery store and walks around the neighborhood staying far away from everyone else. Not bleaching food but not taking food mail or packages into the house for 3 days either. (Have a garage fridge and rotate cold food accordingly).

F). Don’t seem to be working but clearly not social distancing as they participate in block parties and ask neighbors to hold their 2 YO while they refresh their drink

This is in suburban middle class white South Carolina. The idea that we have actually locked down in a meaningful way outside the cities is a myth.

It boggles my mind how it hasn’t exploded here but it hasnt. Even despite our poor testing capacity the hospitals are empty and deaths haven’t spiked.

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