A friend sent me this. Heâs fairly smart and doesnât have any strong political thoughts that Iâm aware of. Says this article was being passed around in a couple of his social circles and he knows Iâm pretty well informed / super anti the UK government so heâd like my thoughts on it.
Of course Iâm only well informed because I read threads like this, I have ~no relevant expertise beyond being semi literate with stats and spreadsheets and happening to work in sales for a PPE supplier. So I told him Iâd ask for feedback here instead.
How so? Given my asthma, I canât smoke it. It seems like my addiction risk is low with two 2mg doses of gum per week. I guess the main risk would be it does the trick nicely so I expand that usage during a WSOP or something and get hooked.
I was responsible for the pure ethanol once at a lab. I had to keep it in a locked cabinet inside a locked room and had to keep a log book to keep track of any bottles that I dispensed. The scientists would submit a signed form stating their use and typically request bottles one pint at a time. I have a feeling some of these bottles didnât get used in the lab. (And I think all this security was primarily to protect the states tax revenue? I canât imagine why else it was such a big deal.)
When I was in middle school I stole a small strip of manganese off of my science teacherâs desk. When she noticed it was missing she started talking about how whoever took it was going to burn their hand off. So I chickened out and never used it.
âthere are years when flu is raging, like in the U.S. in 2017, when there were three times the regular number of mortalities. And still, we did not panic. That is my message: you need to think of corona like a severe flu. It is four to eight times as strong as a common flu, and yet, most people will remain healthy and humanity will survive.â - Michael ââ Levitt
I was playing devilâs advocate airing similar arguments on here with many of the exact same data points as evidenceâŚ
âŚa month ago.
Itâs just a shallow right-wing-adjacent viewpoint that gets readily updated to fit whatever the latest data are (see WichitawDMâs response) and doesnât stand up to any real rigor.
Riddle me this: Albany Georgia and Florence South Carolina are almost exactly the same metro areas in terms of population size (~200,000 people), demographics, poverty rate, layout, climate, etc.
Florence has had 23 deaths from COVID-19.
Albany has had 188.
He has to provide a better explanation than âmagical things seemed to happen in Florence SC that caused the virus to stop!â He has to give SOME sort of theory. Because the âAlbany started social distancing much later in its curve than Florence didâ explanation seems VERY plausible.
What ânicotine addictionâ comment are you referring to? Is this the prior post you mention that has more detail? Was it recent? I can look for it if you remember the timeframe.
Could you tell me what you mean by addicted to nicotine? Or âaddictionâ in general. When I say an addiction, I mean a compulsive behavior that may or may not involve a physical dependency.
For example, caffeine is easily among the most abused substances across the world. I consume around 125-300mg per day. I use it for a few specific purposes and sometimes for the physical sensation. Itâs a damn fine drug. I look forward to my first morning sip, but I also rarely consume caffeine past the evening because it will interfere with my sleep. I donât have too much too fast because it fills me with so much energy that I experience it as anxiety or terror. I moderate my consumption because while the benefits are substantial, disregulated consumption would cause far more harm to me than good.
A lot of people have a hyper-compulsive relationship with caffeine. They mainline it so often that they actually need a little to fall asleep. If they canât have it, they will go to great lengths to find some. Maybe theyâre not willing to sell their car for a fix, but theyâll exploit ease of access to ensure they always have a fix handy as sure as most of us keep our phones within an armâs reach while we sleep.
So when I am discussing nicotine use independent of smoking, I am interested in hearing anecdotes and data that illustrate the possible and probable relationships people have with that drug. If cuse has a relationship with nicotine in the same way I have a relationship with caffeine, I think heâll do well by it. If he has a relationship with nicotine like I have with Unstuck then he is in trouble.
Not to mention we have a whole range of lockdowns ranging from Wuhan to Sweden and everything in between. There is a clear correlation when you look at the curves to the severity of the lockdown. If it was just magic and topped out at some predetermined small percentage of population regardless of government intervention like he theorizes this wouldnât be possible.
Almost everyone smart in this forum two months ago knew England and The USA would be hit worse due to their leadership. Anyone acting surprised now or saying itâs hindsight is dumb.
Whatâs hilarious/sad is that in red states and the country - all these right-wing derper idiots find a scapegoat other than the person leading to vilify and intimidate - Fauci, Dr. Acton in Ohio, or the local mayor. But in blue states they just go straight for the governor. Not partisan politics though. Just MUH FREEDOMZ.
Letâs run through my neighbors around Easter (peak distancing). Most nights are block party in front of my house. They touch hands faces and generally donât keep their distance. The kids play without restriction (including contact type activities).
A B C
D E F
Iâm (E).
A is a Vietnamese family. They run a nail salon. They mandated to close it down, instead they open it only for people they âknowâ (other Vietnamese people in their social circle).
B is an electrician and wife works in a government contracting office. Wife basically got furloughed but husband still working about 30 hours a week in the field. They think itâs all a hoax and never changed activities if given a choice.
C not sure what the husband does but the wife is an ICU nurse, she also shared the Bakersfield âhoaxâ video on social media. Clearly not concerned as they have biweekly house parties with dozens of people present.
D both were given option to work from home almost immediately but chose not to. Daughter still in daycare even now that they were sent home.
E) me, we are quarantined, other than picking up food in the drive through lane at the grocery store and walks around the neighborhood staying far away from everyone else. Not bleaching food but not taking food mail or packages into the house for 3 days either. (Have a garage fridge and rotate cold food accordingly).
F). Donât seem to be working but clearly not social distancing as they participate in block parties and ask neighbors to hold their 2 YO while they refresh their drink
This is in suburban middle class white South Carolina. The idea that we have actually locked down in a meaningful way outside the cities is a myth.
It boggles my mind how it hasnât exploded here but it hasnt. Even despite our poor testing capacity the hospitals are empty and deaths havenât spiked.