Why would it matter unless you touch the container and then don’t wash/sanitize your hands? My presumption is that people are being very careful handling the packaging. If I was going to do takeout for delivery, the containers would never make it into my house. I would open them, sanitize my hands, transfer the food into my own containers, toss the containers, sanitize my hands, bring the food into the house. The risk should be almost if not zero if executed properly.
So weird how hardly anyone dies in reopened red states. I guess getting OPEN FOR BUSINESS really does kill off the virus.
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102’years later and we are still stupid
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Update on mom: Not sure if I mentioned it but she was negative for covid19. They said she had lung failure and possibly pnuemonia? They weren’t sure. Gave her a bunch of antibiotics and she recovered pretty well. New pulmonologist prescribed her some new meds and made a full appointment in two weeks. My NP sister thinks her current doctor isn’t very good so hopefully this pulmonologist can figure stuff out and make some improvements.
She loved the nursing staff as they were super nice to her but being in the hospital alone was clearly very hard for her even though she tried to hide it. The Covid19 area where you have to wait for your test sounds pretty terrifying. Everyone zipped in with plastic sheeting in negative pressure room I think? Also the staff can’t bring anything into the rooms because that might get contaminated so they write on the window glass and a nurse outside the room copies it down, which sounds kinda cool for some reason lol.
She was released yesterday which was cool being mothers day… She is doing ok, still weak but overall a lot better… Got her a new purse and wallet for mothersday and she loves it. Made ribeye and mashed potatoes for dinner and DQ blizzard for snacky.
Also the EMT guys FUCKED her hand up. Mind you she bruises super easily these days but still… Also it looks MUCH worse in person. It’s pretty much black
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All the doctors I’ve heard said this is not necessary.
Ladies and gents, the New York Times:
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Yeah that seems nitty. I’m just rinsing with water. Stuff lives on surfaces for max a couple days so I am minimizing fresh produce (more canned and frozen) cooking pretty much everything.
I don’t want to gamble unnecessarily, but I believe that satisficing is a rational strategy.
I’m probably the last person who should be trying to answer this question, but as I understand it, one of the most glaring problems is it assumes a symmetrical rise and fall of cases. In the real world we’re seeing sharp rises and gradual declines of cases. So for example, they predicted:
Day 1: 1
Day 2: 3
Day 3: 7
Day 4: 15
Day 5: 7
Day 6: 3
Day 7: 1
Day 8: 0
Total: 37
In reality we see:
Day 1: 1
Day 2: 3
Day 3: 7
Day 4: 15
Day 5: 14
Day 6: 12
Day 5: 11
Day 6: 9
etc… for a total of ~100
This is causing them to drastically underestimate the total number of cases. To add to the problem, when this model was exposed by real-world numbers as total shit, they did a series of miniscule manual adjustments rather than admit they didn’t know what the hell they were doing.
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You are viewing everything too black and white. Nearly everything is a risk in life. One simply needs to weigh the risk vs reward. Nobody thinks you can’t get covid from delivery. Of course you can. It’s just the risk is low enough to not exceed the reward in sanity of getting other food, joy in helping keep some people employed etc.
All sex has a risk of STI. People still have sex all the time. You take reasonable precautions and if you catch something you act like an adult about it.
Who is making that risk reward decision? Because when federal, state, and local government are all saying “delivery food is safe”, it’s pretty ridiculous to say “nobody thinks you can’t get covid from delivery”. Kind of seems like the government is making that decision for people, and we have no idea what kind of information they’re using to reach that conclusion.
My apologies if I misread you. I thought you were saying people shouldn’t get delivery because they could get covid? I’m saying even knowing they could get covid I don’t think it’s obvious people shouldn’t get delivery.
If I’m still misunderstanding then I’ll shit up. Perhaps I need more coffee. 
Coffee is good for that.
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Some of you are taking a lot more precautions than I am. I don’t wash my food or let it sit for 3 days. One thing I do is after I put my groceries in my car is to walk back into the store and clean my hands before getting in the car and driving home.
I’m also getting in and out of stores as quickly as possible. I’d rather go to store 3x a week for 10 min each rather than shop once a week but spend 30 minutes. No idea which is better.
Honestly, I hate biology as a subject matter and would prefer to spend my time thinking about other things. I don’t feel the need to know all the details. And I speak as someone who is capable of understanding the science. I think there are a bunch of people in the world who are incapable and we should be identifying strategies for getting them to do the right thing despite being able to understand the specifics of why.
Is smear transmission possible? It seems difficult to prove a negative. At what point were you satisfied that you can’t get AIDS from using the same toilet as someone who is HIV-positive?
We’re going to be relying on inductive reasoning. As time passes, we have an increasing number of cases where takeout food is in contact with the preparer, the deliverer, and the consumer. In cases where all parties are using safe methods, have there been any verified cases of COVID-19 transmission? If the answer is no and continues to be no, the we become more certain that it is safe…99%, 99.9%, 99.999%, but never 100%.
Experts in relevant fields are also relying upon inductive reasoning in assuming that the virus acts like other viruses.
They tell us to wash our hands because that’s a generally useful procedure. Even if it is worthless against coronavirus, it still has value, including the psychological value of making people more focused about cleanliness.
Of course, getting takeout is not 100% risk-free, but then nothing is, unless you are growing your own food. The question isn’t whether takeout is risk free; it’s whether it is significantly riskier than other means of acquiring food, whether going to the grocery yourself or having groceries delivered.
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I just have a bottle of alcohol in my car. Every time I get in first thing I do is wash my hands with it.
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Me too but I just take a big swig and get on with my life.
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