Elective dictatorship
Because it was never meant to be a long-term thing. It was a stop-gap to discuss ideas for the subforum and, yes, some Mean Girl venting.
If you have screen grabs of the other 1700 private messages, youâll see that these posts were mostly met with silence and no one carried on in this direction.
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I can only speak for myself, and I was trying to get people together to come to some agreement in private so we could present a united front in public. I wanted to write a statement of our intentions and get as many people to cosign it as possible. Could that have been done in public? Sure, I guess, but it seems easier to do in private. I wanted a statement with consensus and a bunch of people to cosign on the OP. Thatâs more powerful than just starting a thread spitballing. Is it a conspiracy? Yes! But it is only objectionable if you are somehow buying into the concept of Forum Treason and the distinct but related concept of Internet Sedition.
Did I also vent a bit about some of my frustrations with the forum? Yeah, I did. And when it was made public I tried to delete those vent-y posts because I knew they would be not be constructive to what I was actually trying to accomplish. They re-appeared after I deleted them for some reason.
And are those two things mutually exclusive? Of course not. Does the latter distract from the former? Obviously. Does the latter invalidate the former? In some peopleâs eyes, obviously, but Iâm not convinced they would have been open to our ideas if we had been saints.
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Well thatâs pretty fucking childish, not sure what else to say about it. I still stand by my assertion that the core intent, as I understand it, of the PM thread was reasonable, and by applying fidgetâs conduct to the whole group weâre throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
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I mean, he did tell them to stop dressing like that. They had it coming.
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Sorry, I guess youâre implying that I skipped this. I never asked for evidence for the claim that Sabo was at least once chastised for how he attacked J. I asked for a receipt of people criticizing Sabo for the post he made about J in the private thread. No receipt was provided, Iâm guessing because it doesnât exist? I was offered some alternatives that J was defended at other times, but I asked for what I asked for because I wanted to establish a clear record on that one point with respect that one remark.
Now what you offer instead is: MC stuck up for J in public, got some hearts, and that, to you, means that in a private thread where J is being aggressively criticized by a dozen people without the ability to respond, an extra shot against his mental health doesnât really count because of a lingering absolution provided by that earlier reprimand? I mean, itâs a bold move Cotton and maybe it works, itâs just not what I was specifically asking about.
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I mean we also donât have access to the entire PM thread currently which makes it a bit difficult to prove or disprove
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Itâs also upsetting that people failed to acknowledge that George Floyd was passing counterfeit bills. Because it wasnât at all justifiable that the thing posters were upset about was a disproportionate punishment against someone who they already felt was being treated unfairly.
No, they should have attached the caveat to every single post discussing the permanent ban that of course Sabo acted inappropriately and deserved a ban.
Edited to add: As others have pointed out, you arenât even factually correct. But even if what youâve made up is, it doesnât matter at all.
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There are ways to attack Jmakin without calling into question his mental stability. I donât think a âno personal attacksâ policy works for this forum, but there are certainly limits we can draw around what sort of attacks are permitted. I am not against putting mental health status in the same protected basket as things like race and gender.
I honestly would have no problem if people wanted a public Mean Girls thread where every day is Festivus and they can air all sorts of grievances against other posters.
No, I meant that this all happened in the PM thread the morning of Saboâs ban. MysteryConman and Micro criticized Saboâs post and they received plenty of âpassiveâ support (i.e, hearts).
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Come on man. Just give up on this one. Trolling is intent. Clearly the dude was not participating in the covid thread (which has been a hotbed of rancor sometimes and really annoying) in good faith.
I didnât read all the original posts. I still donât see the need to strategize to present an open front when we have dozens of moderation threads where factions can align and make their case. And Iâm not shocked the PM thread devolved on occasion into trolling and gossip.
If we canât all agree a massive private group PM where participants routinely talk about individual out-group posters is a bad idea, then weâre at an impasse.
This post is not ok and I will flag it.
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Agreed. I feel like Iâm in a very odd position where the defending of the PM thread and the intent of most of the members of that thread feels like itâs forcing me into defending (or being treated like Iâm defending) the entire body of work of posters like sabo, watevs, and fidget.
(To be clear, I also donât think every one of their posts is garbage and I donât think they should be shit on every time they post either.)
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It wasnât massive when the ideas had taken shape - about 20 people. It mushroomed later.
Itâs desirable that those 20 discuss potential problems with a sub forum, the largest of which was how to cope with some people coming in from the main forum posting in the same manner that causes problems there.
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well played
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I believe that bad posters should be allowed to exist, to a certain extent, with temp-bans curbing their worst excesses. I donât believe it should be the duty of moderators to permanently evict bad posters from the forum. It should be up to the community if they want to do that.
I take no position on whether sabo, watevs, and fidget are bad posters.
The people arguing for better posting here are also on the record as saying they like and value Clovis posts, a dude who lies constantly and tells immigration activists that they donât actually care about âkids in cagesâ and only use it to score internet posts
No hope for most of yâall tbh
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