Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[ChrisV]

That second one is more or less on the money.

[StimAbuser]

We do. You only get 3 sick days a year though. She used one earlier in the year and she used her two up this week being sick.

She doesn’t earn much pto either. I think maybe 10 days a year and you have to earn it. She has like 15 pto hours but they haven’t approved it.

She works in a warehouse

[microbet]

My second hand anecdotal experience was target was out but Food4Less wasn’t. Not that target is the store of the super rich, but maybe the run on supplies is a little less prevalent in the poorer quarters.

[eyebooger]

@anon3530961

Trump has to be 50/50 to have it at this point, right?

Over. Way over.

[Jalfrezi]

Coronavirus: Three reasons why the UK might not look like Italy

[suzzer99]

@Sogge

Schools finally will close in Bavaria starting Monday.

Got a mail from our boss that the company will give more information in the coming hours after some schoolkid with COVID-19 rode the same train as some of our employees.

I just wanted to chime in and say these updates from every country are really helpful. It’s good to know what’s going on in the rest of the world and every data point helps paint a clearer picture. Thanks to everyone who keeps adding them.

Seriously though I wonder how many people have this instant of access to on the ground reporting in this many countries and regions - as we do itt?

[Jalfrezi]

Germany to offer ‘unlimited loans’ to businesses

Germany is to offer unlimited loans to businesses to help steer them through the coronavirus pandemic, its finance minister says.

Olaf Scholz said there was no “upper limit” to the loans, which would be made available through Germany’s state-owned bank KfW.

[6ix]

@microbet

My second hand anecdotal experience was target was out but Food4Less wasn’t. Not that target is the store of the super rich, but maybe the run on supplies is a little less prevalent in the poorer quarters.

Well I’m in a poor area in Chicago, there’s a F4L, an Aldi’s, a Walgreens, and two dollar stores in a 3 block radius.

[catfacemeowmers]

Update here: our investigators have stopped going out to serve our papers on defendants, which is good. Courts are still open, except for jury trials which I never have, and the office is still open.

They sent out telework instructions to the attorneys in the event we go to work from home. Turns out literally none of us had the appropriate software installed for it.

Meh.

[anon38180840]

@microbet

Not really. There are at least two factors with opposite effects on that number. One, yes, Korea did a lot of preparation. Two, their testing, extensive as it has been, has still been a small and non-random selection. The true mortality in SK is below 0.6.

Seems to me like the bias in testing is a bigger factor, but shrug.

I think it’s just really hard to say which is a bigger factor. If the early research we’re seeing that most of the spread is in the incubation period, and they’re catching people 2-3 days into the incubation period rather than waiting for symptoms after an average of 5-6 days, sometimes 12 days, they could be significantly lowering the R0.

I’m not saying it’s definitely going to have a higher mortality rate in the end, I’m saying that to say .6% is the ceiling is to give people a false sense of security that can harm preparation efforts. Especially because, as a human race we have to remember that the global rate is going to be higher than it ends up being in South Korea, because there will be numerous third world countries that experience a rate 10 times higher than whatever the final rate in South Korea ends up being. Plenty will fall in between.

@Twist

Results are still incomplete: 696 infected, 364 cases remain active, 325 recoveries, 7 deaths.

This will give us a good idea of the mortality rate with proper treatment, but it won’t be a good model for real world community spread.

[Marksman]

https://mobile.twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1238469881294721024

[CanadaMatt3004]

Anybody think this might be a seismic shift in the fight for workers rights? Its going to become painfully obvious that companys cant just fire their entire staff during a pandemic for staying home and its forcing them into offering worker friendly alternatives like WFH and extended paid time off. It might be a small silver lining, but a silver lining nonetheless. The fact that there have been no major layoffs in a 20% down market with massive numbers staying home has got to be at the very least a general good sign for labor.

[suzzer99]

@Twist

So here’s the combined logic of the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Advisor in the UK:

It is inevitable that around 60% of the population will get it. It is inevitable that many people will die. There is nothing that can be done to stop that happening. The only thing we can do is mitigate when and how this occurs. This requires precise timing. The most effective policy is to precisely time shutdowns and social distancing measures so as to keep peak cases as near to the NHS coping capacity as possible. To do so now would be counterproductive since the current and projected near future caseload is still manageable.

Furthermore since the virus cannot be stopped the end of a lockdown inevitably leads to further spread. This would necessitate further lockdowns. A population and its economy can only bear isolation measures of a certain length and number. Each subsequent lockdown would be less welcomed and adhered to. Instituting too great a number for too long would lead to unnecessary anguish without appreciably helping the cause.

It is therefore wise to keep our powder dry for use when it will be most keenly felt. The reason we are not following the decisions of other countries is because they are further advanced on their individual timelines.

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That’s the idea anyway, but it sure feels scary when the guy fronting the policy is Boris (Bejeezus) Johnson and the current publicly facing efforts at prevention add up to the best part of sod all. Basically - we need more of you to get sick so that hopefully fewer of you will die.

edit: Sorry Jman - I had no idea I’d clicked to reply to your post.

This may also be the something like the CDC’s policy although they’re not allowed to articulate it in public because they don’t want to antagonize our brain-worm-addled president. It would explain a lot about how they’re acting right now.

[ChrisV]

@suzzer99

This may also be the something like the CDC’s policy although they’re not allowed to articulate it in public

Yeah. I have thought this for several days.

[zikzak]

One argument in favor of shutting everything down is that if this thread is representative, nobody is getting any work done anyway.

[Tilted]

I’ve been sitting in my cube with my feet up reading this forum for the last 2 hours.

[microbet]

I think you’re right to say that we can’t say 0.6 is the ceiling (or the floor).

@anon38180840

This will give us a good idea of the mortality rate with proper treatment, but it won’t be a good model for real world community spread.

Yeah, but, average age on the cruise was 58 and no one under 70 has died.

[ripdog]

Australian official who met with Ivanka Trump and Barr last week tests...

[Trolly]

Is everyone else raiding the grocery stores or is that just a Midwest thing?

https://twitter.com/enigmaandhero/status/1238471344477679619?s=21

[suzzer99]

@zikzak

Comments like these scare the shit out of me.

Trump is putting Live Free or Die to the test.