Welp, I wish we were at least doing that. A couple coworkers were out for a few days with fever and cough, but employee health said they could come back after being fever free for a day. I haven’t the faintest fucking idea how long people are contagious after the fever passes, but there doesn’t seem to be any thought of a 2 week isolation policy.
If the hospital said they would have to stay home for two weeks then they would have gotten administrative pay for the time off instead of using sick leave. The hospital doesn’t have to force workers into isolation without a positive test, and since nobody but the sickest get tested we are going to have an outbreak of hospital acquired Coronavirus imo.
Likely slow ponied here, but you can’t tell me Mitch sent the senate home for the weekend in the middle of this without knowing something big is going down. Coranvirus is all over DC likely even the President has it. He is scared and got the fuck out and they ain’t coming back.
Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed. Explain this.
Trump is trolling Joe Biden for 12k dying from the swine flu TODAY and you make THIS post? Stop trolling and for the last time STFU you dumb potato headed motherfuckrer.
lol listening to the local news station in Dallas and their “hear from the views segment” over the Corona virus was pure batting down conservative memes. “Do mosquitoes spread the Corona virus?” (talked about on Alex Jones), “Why can’t the media talk about facts, you guys are spreading lies like CNN and the New York Times?” and “Why is everyone complaining about Trump, why don’t they complain about liberals”
I want health advice from Trump as much I want to know the ending to Star Wars from Disney.
For the @Trolly’s and others who don’t feel like panicking, Sam Harris’s latest podcast guest gives a pretty good case for this not being the end of the world.
-.6 mortality is the ceiling (see south Korea)
-self-isolating is rational for olds and sicks, but not the rest of us
-except under exceptional circumstances, this thing lives for a a few minutes or a few hours on objects (no uv lights needed for mail in ballots or Amazon packages)
-completely fine to go to coffee shops and whatnot. Anywhere that you can put 6 feet between you and someone is is OK for the most part. You just really don’t want to get sneezed or coughed on
Perhaps worrying for other reasons, he argued that what we’re doing now (shutting everything down) is much worse than the disease itself. He takes the @microbet line that many more will die from the economic impacts of such shutdowns than would have happened otherwise. Along this line, he says we are in the mitigation phase, not the containment phase, so government stimulus should be going to hospital supplies, beds and whatnot and not UBI to keep everyone home. The latter is less effective at this stage of the game.
I don’t think there’s a chance in hell it happens as scheduled. Postponed until May or later is my guess.
While I’m glad that Sam Harris has a rosy outlook on things, everything in this bulleted list has been either refuted or had evidence presented to the contrary previously ITT.
Well said.
I think “refuted” is putting it a bit strongly. And the cliffs are not Harris. They are this guy:
Dr. Adalja is a Senior Scholar at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security. His work is focused on emerging infectious disease, pandemic preparedness, and biosecurity.
So my grandparents are such in Fort Myers, FL by themselves. All of our family is in Ohio. They are in their early 80s, and my grandpa has had prostate cancer for a year and a half now, and he can’t really get around by himself. So it’s already a major toll on my grandma to care for him.
There are already multiple confirmed cases in their county. If either of them gets sick there, they are screwed. And if things go Italy bad, that area will be particularly bad because it’s all olds. I feel like my only options are to fly there and drive them back or drive there and drive them back. And I should probably do this tomorrow. No other family members can go with me tomorrow, and I think a day is too valuable to wait at this point.
Cliffs: I’m probably driving 17 hours tomorrow, sleeping, turning around, and driving 17 hours home.
Yeah this is terrible, and in the coming days we’re going to hit the point where our decision is between sending them home or just not having enough doctors and nurses. Ideally we would have a system set up where staff who were not sick were handling the patients who weren’t suspected of having COVID-19 or weren’t likely to have it, and the ones who were willing to work sick were treating the ones who already had it.
We’re going to be seeing a lot of “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” decisions soon.
I don’t really know what “0.6% mortality is the ceiling” means in your summary, like don’t you mean the floor? I agree that it looks like the virus has something under 1% mortality under ideal conditions. The danger here isn’t acquiring the virus, on an individual level, it’s having an overwhelmed health system.
I think the stuff about transmissibility is out of date given findings in the last couple days, and I think the reality is we just don’t know. It seems pretty fucking contagious, honestly.
I agree that self-isolating (when you don’t have the virus) isn’t rational except for olds and sicks and I also agree that the economic disruption might be the worst part of this.
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My son was diagnosed with influenza A. He has low oxygen level in his blood so we’ll need to head back there soon. Scary but also less scary i guess.
Dumb question but lets say you actively have the flu - can you still contract coronavirus at the same time?
Definitely. You’re probably unusually at risk of it.