Hereās the article about her not being so great
I donāt think the two of them are in the same league when it comes to āmajor damage to progressivism by not retiringā. Ginsberg has her crushed in that department. Of course, Ginsberg had also previously done more good.
I also donāt think that Feinsteinās hanging around too long really undoes a lot of her good the way Ginsbergās did.
I think the real debate is just which thread she belongs in. Based on her entire body of work Iād put her in the not terrible one.
Who is someone who if they died tomorrow would be perfectly balanced between terrible and not terrible?
Bernie was my first instinct but heās probably a little better than middle. Maybe Carter or something idk
Iāve got them both safely in non-terrible range. Maybe I just have a higher bar for terrible.
Perhaps. Itās tough for me to overcome to inherent terribleness that comes with being a politician
Yeah, I think successful politicians, like billionaires, have to have a good bit of terribleness to get where they are. No argument there. I guess maybe Iām just judging them on some sort of politician scale.
Itās difficult because many of us werenāt politically aware (certainly not to the extent we are now) in the 90s, when it seems universally agreed that she was a much better VORP senator.
Itās tough to ignore recency bias because of this. She has SUCKED for the past 2 terms, and thatās what a lot of us remember.
Had she just retired in 2012, this wouldnāt be an issue. When Barbara Boxer dies, there wonāt be 100 posts in this thread about it.
Maybe if we started judging by āyouāre only as good as your last dayā, people would be more apt to end their careers while still ahead. Thereās nothing more pathetic than a once great athlete becoming a liability to team because his ego wouldnāt let him retire when he should have.
RBG wound up fucking us and right or wrong, thatās how most of my generation will remember her and Feinstein. Go out on top imo. We canāt all be a Sully
Will any politician qualify for the other thread? Hard to come up with a name. Which is somewhat odd for a group of people among the top 1% of the politically aware.
He was the first orange man to run for president, the first orange man to win the presidency. He was a true trailblazer.
This is possibly the grossest thing Iāve seen on this forum.
Dianne Feinstein literally found Harvey Milkās body and tried to stop the bleeding by jamming her fingers in the gunshot wound. She became a leader for lgbt rights. Trump would never.
GTFO with that picture and your insinuation that the LGBT folks mourning her today and those who she supported back then are insincere or fake.
Jimmy Carter is probably the closest a person can be to a good person while still becoming POTUS.
Feinstein spent the first part of her career mostly being pretty good (although voted against gay rights at least once) and then spent the last 15 years or so doing what she could to enrich herself and prevent progress.
In other words she was no saint.
I was going to post that. He may have been an ineffective president (although lots was out of his control), but he seemed like a genuinely good person who wanted to do the right thing. He also was a good person post presidency and didnāt seem like he was just out to enrich himself.
I feel heās sort of the opposite of Bill Clinton who was a good president, but a horrible selfish POS.
Quote is a little trite and often used to make bad points but some 26 year old French revolutionary dipshit who was then part of the Reign of Terror is famous for saying that no one reigns innocently. Like maybe there was once a king a long time ago who inherited the throne, gave away all the money in his treasury to the poor, and promptly choked on a grape, but you will find no President or Prime Minister in any country anywhere that hasnāt had to sign off on heinous shit, idk maybe not Jacinda Arden. Carter was a committed cold war warrior despite the human rights gloss, clearly way to the right of Bernie on economic policy. To me for these threads, you gotta grade on a curve, otherwise the non terrible thread will have 0 posts.
