You should put these young gentlemen in your committees:
Given that one’s dead and the other is a racist Brexiter, I sincerely doubt it’d be adequate.
A third has been running a really entertaining and refreshingly honest radio show in the US. He’d do.
Of course, some have documented and commented upon the historical intersection of punk & horizontal. Culture, including music, has always, and will always, be an integral part of the movement.
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Punk’s long run as a breeding ground for anarchism shows how much we stand to gain from social activities that are pleasurable and creative.
Let’s chat a little bit about delusion -vs- bad faith.
So far, there’s been -zero- Communists here at UnStuck. AFAIK the only Communist back at 2+2 was einbert, and he didn’t follow us over here to UnStuck. So there has been -zero- people advocating for Marxism, or a Marxist revolution on this forum.
Zero, zilch, nada.
So why is @suzzer99 always carrying on like this? Is it because he is delusional and is arguing against himself in all these quotes above (and several other too)? Other possibilities are… he’s chatting in bad faith, and is assigning views to others they don’t hold; he’s chatting in bad faith, and just using “Marxist” to name-call and troll.
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Please note how suzzer isn’t even engaging this assclown and he keeps on going.
But yea, suzzer deserves it, right?
It’s always a good time for a teachable moment
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For example: the term ‘Anarcho-Marxist’ is patently ridiculous.
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I know some Tibetans who would disagree.
Using the same arguments that people use for how capitalism has “worked”. Clever.
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Victor, I spent a few weeks in Cuba about 20 years ago before it became Westernised.
It’s a fascinating place, and education and health services are astonishingly good for such a poor country, but claiming the political system worked is plain wrong when basic liberties are curtailed and political opponents jailed.
A large part of its apparent success lies in the character of the people, who are switched on, socially inclusive, largely anti-materialist (and far more interested in the world around them than a lot of the people itf), as well as the Caribbean climate.
A country that guaranteed everyone a minimum wage and rations of rice to ensure no one went without also paid street musicians the same monthly wage as doctors and surgeons.
As my travel companion observed, if you were to somehow move Cuba into the Baltic Sea it would suddenly seem an awful lot less convincing in that hostile climate.
Ultimately it is/was a brave, even necessary, but failed experiment.
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The trade embargo and sanctions may have had something to do with that
Of course they did. Cuba was forced to take its orders from Moscow until the collapse of the USSR, which meant no dissension allowed and the human rights abuses were severe. I’d wager that you wouldn’t want to live under those restrictions.
severe human rights abuses? basic liberties curtailed? we have that here though
political opponents jailed? well, we made black people political opponents and jailed a bunch of them, so that’s out
yeah, not seeing much to suggest that communism is uniquely worse than capitalism
Citing USA#190 as the pinnacle of capitalism is a large error.
Bad-faith / trolling thread title changes are pretty weak-sauce. Maybe even temp-ban worthy.
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I’ll take democratic capitalism over non-democratic communism. Democratic socialism is a different story…
Do you object to a deontological preference for some form of democracy even if the output is less than ideal in favor of a consequentialist desire to maximize your preferred outcomes regardless of political system?
When the GOP or right wing media figures attempt to smear Biden/Harris or the Dems in general as communists or Marxists, I believe that most of this forum would be able to accurately identify that as reactionary redbaiting.
When people who aren’t the GOP or RW media figures use those same labels pejoratively to describe other people or concepts(when those people or concepts are not communists or Marxists), I would say that is also reactionary redbaiting. In the context of an internet forum, it could also be labeled as derailing or trolling.
To be clear describing someone who self-identifies as a Marxist or communist with that label would be A-OK.
When Fox news calls an eDem a socialist/communist/marxist, that is redbaiting.
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When a poster ITF calls someone(who does not identify as communist/marxist) a communist and/or marxist that is:
- Redbaiting
- Trolling
- Derail/non-sequitor
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