LOL at thinking that the starvation of the Ukraine is some sleazy RWNJ talking point.
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No one itt is defending the US war machine but here you are going to bat for fucking Stalin and Khrushchev.
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Pointing out people are evil fucks with or without capitalism is hardly a defense of capitalism.
Also equating the “capitalism” of the 1800s and the 2000s is quite dumb. They’re as radically different as the USSR and USA were post war.
Uh, it’s because you chose the Soviets as your virtuous contrast to capitalism for the bullest of shit reasons, that they wanted “a better society,” something that’s been repeatedly used as justification by the most evil fucks in the history of the world for all manner of atrocity. And the Soviets were absolutely some of the most evil fucks in the history of the world.
I know what ostensible means. That “making a better society” was “ostensibly” their justification does in no way mitigate their evil, and it is laughable that you’d put it forward as such. It is, in fact, repeatedly used as justification for the world’s greatest evils.
I vacillate between it not mattering what justification is put forth, evil is evil, and honesty about intent is marginally better.
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That’s interesting.
Surprising to see so much talk of “evil” in a forum that considers itself so rational.
Does “evil” exist?
- Yes, there is such a thing as “evil” people or ideas.
- No, there is no such thing as “evil.”
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Meaningless question. I could answer anything between “obviously yes” and “obviously no” depending on your definition.
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Meaningless? It’s a stand in for the motivations being discussed, isn’t it? I mean, if a person is “evil,” what does that even mean?
If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being.
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lol. sure it was. 
just a point of order, afghanistan was a brezhnev excursion, drunk on 70s high oil prices.
Brezhnev was drunk on more than oil money.
it was a period when ussr life had improved due to increased oil revenue. if you focused only on cities, one could almost convince themselves that communism really is starting to work, but military intervention into afghanistan was still very much unpopular right as the caskets started to arrive. it became so bad, soviet papers and tv stopped covering the war, so the army could keep it going, and it went on for years, although only about half as long as the US war.
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to put more perspective onto Soviet-Afghan war compared to US-Afghan War, one can look at both casualties and average lifespans during the two conflicts.
soviets officially took 15k casualties, although i’d venture it was easily double that. afghani soldiers on both sides were upto 100k. on top of that official figures are between 550k-2m civilians.
during the US-Afghan War, coalition took 5k deaths, total combatants 125k, and 50k-100k civilians. ostensibly their bad intentions did less damage than the soviet’s good intentions.
In Soviet Union, society gets the better of you.
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Why do they hate us? Whoopsie Daisy!
I’m sure it’s no coincidence that they acknowledged this on a Friday, particularly the Friday before a potential right-wing rally in DC. Take Out The Trash Day, hope no one notices, on to the next one.