About Moderation

[clovis8]

Come on. This is silly and you know it.

[pvn]

@MrWookie

But you win on trans rights by winning elections with votes from people who don’t care about trans people, not by trying to argue with entrenched anti-trans opinions.

100% this

[ViridianDreams]

@MrWookie

@clovis8

As already pointed out many times. He isn’t banned for being right wing he is banned for trolling.

Potato potahto. There is nothing right wing that isn’t trolling.

I don’t know if you’re exaggerating, but this isn’t healthy thinking if you actually believe it. It’s not at all true.

[clovis8]

Had he said there is nothing in MAGA that isn’t trolling that would be a fair statement.

[ViridianDreams]

@clovis8

Had he said there is nothing in MAGA that isn’t trolling that would be a fair statement.

I’m not sure if I’d even agree with that. Maybe in the world of extremely online MAGA people, yeah. Regardless, I don’t think it’s a healthy mindset. It stinks of overly base tribalism and the type of dehumanizing generalizations that don’t benefit anyone.

[QuantGamble]

He’s not joking, that’s basically how he modded the old forum.

[Fabian2]

@BusinessGenius

Guy who has spent 15 years as a mod thinks everything he doesn’t like is trolling.

@QuantGamble

He’s not joking, that’s basically how he modded the old forum.

Very smart centrists: “Horseshoe theory ITT”

[ParlaySlow]

@alex

Because 30-50% of the country including some of the most powerful people in it like Elon Musk believe this stuff so whether or not this 1 particular person is operating in good faith, you at least need to keep your skills sharpened in order to defeat the movement in open discussion spaces. The status quo is that a lot of people think that liberals are afraid to debate and just want to shout you down and call you a racist, etc. Look at the polls, we are straight up losing in the marketplace of ideas on issues like trans rights and immigration. It would be good to fight to change that.

Today I learned that UP is the “global town square”

[kerowo]

Can you list some conservative views in a way that isn’t trolling? I’m not trying to set you up, I’m probably stuck in the view that all conservatives want are liberal tears and that cruelty is the point in their policies and wouldn’t mind hearing them without that baggage.

[ViridianDreams]

@kerowo

Can you list some conservative views in a way that isn’t trolling? I’m not trying to set you up, I’m probably stuck in the view that all conservatives want are liberal tears and that cruelty is the point in their policies and wouldn’t mind hearing them without that baggage.

Many conservatives legitimately believe abortion is murder and that sex should only be for procreation within marriage. I think it’s dumb and wrong to legislate those views forcing other people to conform to them, but they are earnest in their beliefs.

Plenty of conservatives genuinely believe government is wasteful and that society is better off when its “interference” in people’s lives is minimized. Again, I think this is dumb and at times ignorant, but they aren’t trolling.

[TheHip41]

@clovis8

As already pointed out many times. He isn’t banned for being right wing he is banned for trolling. Like any community, new members always have a shorter social rope than long standing members. If he was genuinely interested in being a member he would have spent some time posting good content and have the emotional intelligence to know trolling, even funny trolling, is done between friends who have known each other for a long time.

His trolling just isn’t the same as when someone like trolly takes a shot at me.

Lag came in hot with trolling from day one. He was never a conservative looking for honest debate.

It’s this

Day one that dude came in and made this place unreadable

He isn’t adding any value here

If he had some good posts even though we don’t share the same values. That would be different.

[MrWookie]

What’s the difference between “right wing” and “MAGA?”

[hokie]

Joe Biden vs Donald Trump

[alex]

@MrWookie

For one, no, it’s laughable to think that these people are beaten by debate. They are beaten by power, and power only. Modern conservatives are more than happy to relish in self-contradiction, dismissal of fact, and bad faith when it comes to argumentation. Why would you ever, EVER think that arguing with them is something that you can ever win?

Power comes from winning elections. Winning elections comes from receiving more votes than the other guy. Receiving more votes comes from convincing the small subset of people that are convertible in this election, and building on that with each election cycle. What is the mechanism that you are proposing that doesn’t involve using your words and spreading your message to more and more people?

Why would I not think I can win an argument against a conservative? I argue with conservatives all the time. My stances are correct and should be easy to express. If they’re not that’s a me problem. The winning issues for the left in recent decades - abortion, gay marriage, medicare for all - have clear and unassailable rhetoric. “You guys are weird for obsessing so much about genitals and women’s bodies” has been a recent banger that’s moving the needle. We need more of this.

@ParlaySlow

Today I learned that UP is the “global town square”

If lagtight is tilting you so much that you can’t successfully dunk on him/ counter his points/make him look bad on your own home turf, you have no chance out there in the arena.

[MrWookie]

@alex

What is the mechanism that you are proposing that doesn’t involve using your words and spreading your message to more and more people?

Step one, not wasting time with internet trolls who are definitely not:

@alex

the small subset of people that are convertible in this election

[hokie]

I don’t think lagtight’s posts were banworthy. There were a few opportunities to discuss things but he backed away from the conversation and decided to JAQ off or post his “oh this is such a safe space” shit. If he cut that out I wouldn’t mind him being around but I guess I’m in the minority there.

[ParlaySlow]

@alex

If lagtight is tilting you so much that you can’t successfully dunk on him/ counter his points/make him look bad on your own home turf, you have no chance out there in the arena.

I have zero interest in playing “dunk on the bad faith troll” either here or wherever the arena is

[alex]

And that’s why the arena is instead populated by Joe Rogan, Lex Fridman, and the All-In podcast bros.

We gush over Mayo Pete going on Fox and killing it, but it’s fun to watch only because it’s so rare.

[ParlaySlow]

@alex

And that’s why the arena is instead populated by Joe Rogan, Lex Fridman, and the All-In podcast bros.

Ok, I’m convinced. Unban lagtight! We must dunk on him for the future of America.

[DrChesspain]

Lagtight thanks you for your political passion, no matter how misguided he finds it, and he wishes you a bountiful future.