Easy there, shooter. I just let you back in.
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Stuff like this makes me think I could say the sky is blue and I know 4-5 people who would disagree on this site and they could convince another 2-3 they were arguing in good faith.
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What the fuck, guys. Cassette just asked for an explanation about four bans. Everything is tense right now and I think asking for transparency is completely reasonable. Is it really so hard to let wookie respond without adding your two cents to the drama? How are we supposed to know Victor was PMing people without asking wookie like cassette just did?
Edit: in response to sky below, I assume that adding the edit was the only way he could respond to those posts given the four hour limit (and also why I’m responding to you via an edit right now). If I’d posted asking for transparency/clarification I’d be annoyed at those responses too.
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Asking for the explanation was fine, and it was given.
The ninja edit to add a personal attack? Not so fine.
Do you mind pointing out what post you’re referring to here?
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Six people have been banned today and jmakin hasn’t?
jmakin abused his admin powers, said that he would not do it again, abused his admin powers again, posted multiple pm’s. Given that he can apparently alter logs and has lied about his actions as admin, how can we even know the extent of his behavior? He could have extracted personal information about every member.
What would the punishment be for anyone else who hacked pm’s and published them?
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RFC to make them an admin.
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We are getting a ton of new members today! It’s really great to see the growth of the forum. Welcome @mtl2d! I hope you enjoy this vibrant loving community.
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My two cents
Victoars ban should be reversed. He was making good points yesterday and genuinely trying to help the community.
Jals ban should be permanent. He was the opposite. It’s clear based on yesterday he wants to see this place burn. That’s all.
Rest temp bans seems ok.
If that is sabo the account should be snap perma banned. Every account within 100 km radius of his IP should be snap instant life banned. His posting a single letter here ever again should be snap instant life banned. Let him troll his own little world.
Jmakin needs to apologize and he subject to a ban as well. He knows he was wrong making the pm public. He should face some consequences.
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So I am a new member or a Sabo second account? Nice deflection to avoid holding jmakin accountable.
check my 2+2 and unstuck profiles.
I am member #721 on 2+2, joining six years before jmakin and seven years before missiledog.
I joined unstuck before jmakin or tilted.
I’m not a second account like zarapochkas_ghost.
So I could be Sabo running a super clever long con, or:
This is the best political forum on the internet. I’ve enjoyed lurking both for twenty years and never posting, but was motivated to post for the first time because for some reason, it appears no one wants to hold jmakin accountable for one of the most egregious mod/admin behaviors. Now when I pitch unstuck to potential new members, “yeah its a great forum, but be aware that the admin might go rogue, read and post your pm’s, and do who knows what else. It has happened before.”
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You ready?
(chronological order, some bold emphasis mine)
Again, you ready? Because this might sting, and it should sting, and I’m actually complimenting you by thinking it will sting, because if it doesn’t that might really really illustrate the problem better than I could’ve imagined.
Fwiw, “fwiw” stands for “for what it’s worth” and for future reference, that info is worth quite a bit and should probably be stated up front in a discussion such as that.
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6ix, people in here since the original posts quoted and screenshotted more than enough examples of people sniping and bickering. Dozens of users posted about it. I didn’t have to read every single post in entirety myself to understand the context of the discussion.
By the time of my post you are quoting, that thread had hundreds of posts on the subject!
What a bizarre angle.
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I guess that’s part of the issue. Based on what I read, that isn’t an accurate depiction of what all members of the PM were doing. If we set sabo and fidget aside, it seemed like most members of the conversation were actually interested in improving the community rather than leaving, and attacking everyone who was involved in that conversation with replies like this is just adding to the animosity.
I’ve already broken my rule of never getting involved in forum drama so I’m going to try to step away from this, I just wanted to call out some unhelpful posts from people that I think know better.
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The people who weren’t in the PM have made 10x as many sniping, bickering posts since jmakin opened the thread without permission as the entire 1000+ post thread had before. Like, it’s a stark fucking difference in tone.
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I mean, obviously it is. Before it was opened to the public it was a group of like-minded trolls laughing amongst themselves and bragging about their trolling exploits. Obviously the tone is going to change when that gets revealed.
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Everyone needs to try their hardest to stop lumping everyone in either “group” as one. There were for sure people in the PM who want only to improve the forum. They just seem blind to motives of a few others in the PM.
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This is very charitable. Something that’s gone missed perhaps by some here that they ran off my replacement before any of that was even made public. Intentions are well and good - maybe, I mean maybe there were good ones? But the result was quite clear and there to read quite plainly. You yourself were in the thread, you saw how they were coordinating together. At that point it’s completely fair to lump them together.
The entire admin/mod team and many of the posters not in the thread were compared to Mat/Mason/Klansky with very little pushback. It’s tough to imagine a worse and more hateful insult. This was towards people who have volunteered their time, for free, to try and serve this community.
This post seems overly charitable on the tone and content of what was going on there overall.
Yes a few people were defended on occasion by some in that thread. No not everyone there was actively doing it. But the overall tone of it was hate filled and spiteful throughout the portions I read. And no one in there was actively telling anyone to stop.
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Posting here so I won’t be able to post here for four hours and add to the slapfight. Throttling dramabomb threads is the best idea ever.
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