People care about what politicians said five years ago. Of course they care about what people here posted five years ago.
We really shouldnât. Iâm a very different person than I was five years ago, and Iâm sure many people here are too.
Admittedly itâs easy to say that in a vacuum and harder to apply to yourself, but itâs what we should be striving for.
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Making everyone like each other should not be a goal. This is a politics forum. I think the basic civility that we demand from each other should mirror the basic level of civility that we insist Democrats show to Republicans.
This started as a political based forum, but I think many of us view it as more than that at this point. I think this forum would be at its healthiest if we viewed politics as just one topic on this site, even if it is the main topic.
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Thatâs the core of the problem and I donât think you can moderate, RFC or codify our way out of it. People deciding to stop holding grudges and self-moderate is the only real way it gets better. I mean I guess itâs basically the same as âBe kindâ.
Of course no one is perfect and everyone will cross that line to varying degrees whether by design, accident or in a moment of anger. I guess that means this place will never be perfect. Maybe we should stop expecting it to be and just do what we can as individuals to make it better. I think that is what micro has been getting at with the whole ownership thing. Maybe we all would do a better job of taking care of this place if there was that sense of ownership.
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It is absurd to think that you have to go through life only interacting with people you like. Everywhere else in the world the expectation isnât that youâll like everyone you are with but that you will treat them with respect. Why canât we have that expectation here? Why is it like pulling teeth here to set up a set of rules that make it easier to treat people with respect than not?
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Weird that youâre making this post, then, identifying him as ânotoriously repugnantâ and âwidely-despisedâ and âof well-documented deplorablenessâ. Like, I promise you I donât like the poster I was talking about.
smarmy dumbfuck
Well that escalated quickly, not sure youâre 100% on what âsmarmyâ means but I doubt it matters.
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Post mod rotation passing, this is literally the next thing on my list to tackle. Just donât want to cause too much of a mess by doing it all at once.
The entire thing of ikes outing that exchange was top-quality âikeses posting their Lsâ and I will never apologise for finding it hilarious.
âMod Rotationâ is rearranging the deck chairs. Give the mods clear guidelines of what they can do. Give the community the capability of overturning a modâs action. Make the mods accountable for their actions by taking any punishments they gave out in error.
Set up the rules so we can get away from this real and imagined idea that itâs the mods who are responsible for the drama on this site.
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For what it is worth Iâm sorry for the part I played in the drama. Emotions were high and I was being an asshole in a lot of my post.
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Working on it.
Donât forget the accountability.
Same back at you.
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Thatâs great. As long as you mod all users consistently most people can adapt to basically any standards of moderation within what would be considered reasonable here.
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I would prefer for the next step to be focusing on setting up guidelines for users as a form of community standards. This in turn helps define the mods job as essentially taking their turn to help uphold community standards.
If we have clear guidelines for users and rotating mods, what restrictions do you feel need to be placed on mods during their terms? Not permanently banning a poster without community approval seems to be a popular one and makes sense. But what else?
Because, it seems absurd to me when people want to spend weeks arguing about a 24 hour temp ban. Have a PM discussion with the mod who banned you to understand why they think you crossed the line, and if you still disagree let it go. Itâs not that important.
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If mod actions can be adjudicated and overturned by the community and there are clear rules to be enforced I see no reason to limit their actions. If you donât want to hear excessive lawyering over mod actions make a clear process for disagreements to be discussed and acted upon by the community and then donât allow the horse to be beaten any longer.
Too much damage has been done to this community by constant rehashing of previous issues. Donât allow it. The whole point of making rules is to stop the stuff you donât want and encourage the stuff you do.
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Why do we need mods?