What actions require this though?Because if you’re saying we need this for every mod action, that is where we have a point of disagreement. No one needs to spend time arguing whether or not a 1 day ban was wrong or whether a post should be flagged and hidden or deleted. Part of the onus of not constantly rehashing pointless issues is on the users to stop bringing them up.
If you want to make a hard rule for every action a mod can or cannot, should or should not make, then we probably should get in contact with the new 22 owners about these AI mods they’re working on.
To help enforce community guidelines and standards where users refuse to abide by them.
This is why establishing what guidelines and standards we as a community care about is next on my list. The current issue is there is no singular owner to establish this and we have groups that have different ideas of what is acceptable.
Nah, there are way too many personal attacks here that really need to be cut from this forum. Especially due to the fact that it has frequently crossed the line into attacking poster’s mental health and family members.
Anything that is going to piss someone off should be brought up in front of the community. Are you not aware of what is going on right now? We are in a situation where no one trusts anyone, when there are no benefits of the doubt we’re going to need to be overly transparent.
Telling someone to shut up about the treatment they are getting without giving them a chance to air their grievance is one of the charming aspects of 22 that we should try and get rid of. The idea that the mods are above the community or outside of the community is also something we can start to change by being transparent. If someone is continually being legitimately modded and bringing those actions to the community for adjudication that will be an opportunity for community action.
It’s impossible to make hard and fast rules that cover everything, no one is suggesting that. Saying that mods can do the following things to maintain order is different than trying to enumerate the only times someone can be temp banned. Combining general rules with mods who are accountable for their actions and a community that let them know when they made a mistake should let us iterate to a good set of rules that most people have no problem following.
What are the rules that you’re proposing then? What are you doing to make this approach a reality? Because what I’ve noticed from the people advocating this approach is that there’s zero follow through to make any of it happen. @NotBruceZ made an RFC thread about it and it’s the quietest thread I’ve ever seen in About Unstuck.
Modding is an inherently human thing, and there are no objective standards to bad posting that can be conclusively enumerated such that there is an objective measure of whether a mod is being consistent or not. Even typing the same words as someone else will have a different timing and context such that it can be reasonable, or at least generally desirable, to mod them differently. As such, there is no mod who cannot be accused of being biased no matter how hard they try, even in the event that we grant that all accusers are acting in good faith.
But, uh, yeah, throttle being off looks like it worked great today, folks. Goofy’s post that led to this being opened generated nothing, and we were right back to the usual bickering.
I know you are being sarcastic, but I think it actually did go great.
I squashed a beef with Wichita
Marty squashed a beef with Wichita
Smrk and micro talked things out a bit
I thought there were some other interesting posts from meb and others
Goofy’s post generated nothing because it wasn’t a serious post as far as I can tell. We have literally zero new members 2 years and now we’re worried about hostile take over? I’m pretty sure he was joking.
I don’t think it’s even unrealistic. It’s not like 22 didn’t engage in some forum invasions (QLC, city-data, bug chasers, flashlights, et al.). We didn’t do it with the intent or enough numbers for a takeover, but it’s hardly unrealistic to think some might think to.
I want to say, about as mildly as I can, that this is a bullshit ban. Telling someone to fuck off or go fuck themselves isn’t a personal attack, it’s rude, that’s a separate issue. Rudeness shouldn’t be innately banworthy and even if we’re going to insist from the comfort of our fainting-couches that it should be, a week is highly excessive.
I’ve made a couple posts on that topic, but haven’t gotten any responses.
One point I made is that community ownership sounds like everyone owns it, but in practice it means no one owns it. So is it better for the site to designate an actual owner or small group of owners?
