About Moderation (old original thread)

I’m not responsible for any side. I mentioned and referred to you a couple times and not all peace and love. I hate you using the word “malcontents”. But I don’t think I said anything about you that we couldn’t get past. And I try pretty hard not to cast aspersions at a “side” that would include lots of people.

Otoh, I have been mad at you for casting aspersions at me and Johnny and cassette and about 38 other people because someone called you a liar.

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When you searched your name for mentions you’ll also have seen some very flattering things said about you despite the stance you’ve taken on permas.

Just setting the record straight for those who haven’t read it.

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Yeah, lots of “I really like Witchita, but fucking calling us malcontents makes me never want to post on this forum again” kind of stuff.

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What is my stance on permas? See here’s part of why I got so upset. Basically I was being painted to be something I’m not and at some point I snapped and just decided if I was going to be given shit then I was going to dish it right back out. I’ve been pretty much against bans with a few minor exceptions. I voted no on fidget for example.

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See here’s the thing. I didn’t and hopefully don’t have a problem with any of you all. Those comments came long after things had melted down.

I’ve actually apologized for it too and admitted I went overboard. I’m still waiting on apologies for the stuff said to me and about me. Like you really think I went from my first post which was far from bad to full nuclear without provocation? It doesn’t make it right but damn this idea that I, out of nowhere, went off is false. Several called me liars. Cassette specifically called me a no content shit poster.

And you know what I’m really fine with it now although I think people should own up to what they contributed to it. I have and have tried to make amends. Like I said I regret my role in it and should have been better.

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Also I’ve been here defending churchill from being banned and saying CN needs to tone down the condescension and toxicity in the Covid thread long before this. I took a lot of shit for it. So of course I’m partially angry because that goes overlooked for what exactly?

Ok fair enough. I meant as a mod I would have been frustrated to the point of lashing out and being somewhat hyperbolic but I see how somehow that means I am pro permabans. I’ve always preached self-moderation here and continue to.

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Honestly, I think that you’re not getting the posts you want to see because some posters are just bad writers with poor communication skills. Or maybe those are just poor written communication skills and they post the way they talk in conversation.

I also believe the Discourse software makes Tweet-like back-and-forths easier, unless the thread is put into slow mode.

Ok. I’m not going to apologize for what anyone else said to you and I don’t expect you to apologize for what someone else said to me. I accept your apology for your broad comments vaguely directed against everyone in that PM thread.

I don’t remember if I phrased anything in that thread or elsewhere about you in a way that I should apologize for. I think I was careful to put things like “I hate that sentiment” that I would stand behind and not “Witchita sucks” or anything like that. But it’s possible. I was mad too.

Presenting the whole victor exchange without comment:

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And I want people to keep in mind there’s a not-small group of people here who just avoid threads where anyone is being disrespected by anyone.

It’s possible CN can chat like that. I know Victor can chat like that, even when you disagree with him. I’ve been in multiple PM threads with him with thousands of posts. But maybe some combinations of people can’t do it together.

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It’s all good man I’m over it at this point.

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You’re just not good at passive-aggressive attacks. When you attack someone, you come out swinging. Direct attacks are always going to get temp-bans.

I think your take that Dems could have manipulated Trump by just taking the opposite position of what they want was reasonable but wrong. If you had a dumb take, it was saying that Republicans and Democrats have the same agenda. This is the wrong thread for me to explain why, but find the right one and we can have that discussion.

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You should read that. The “sillier takes” part was absolutely unnecessary.

If there were a formal proposal and more discussion, I think it would have gotten even more support. All past/present animosity aside, let’s say the proposal gets 2/3rds, that’s a pretty strong result, how can you realistically have expected better? Did you want people who disagreed with the idea, the motivations for it, and the process undertaken to get it to then suddenly respect it in some deeper way beyond agreeing that it was voted forward fairly, and that people who would then post in the sub should obviously respect its new moderation philosophy?

Not at all man. You engage in aggressive and insulting rhetoric all the time, with only a few temp-bans afaik. Your routinely call everyone in this forum right-wingers and authoritarians, consistently throw out the lib/shitlib label, and demean people as Dem apologists (personally calling out people like RM multiple times) even though this forum as a whole is generally highly critical of them. I honestly think you do it so often and so nonchalantly that you don’t even realize it’s happening.

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RM despises Victor. It’s a lot to expect Victor to be respectful in return.

No I don’t want to relitigate this tbh. I don’t need apologies either. My point was that there was a lot of shit flung from all angles. None of it was good. I was guilty of it obviously.

What is today’s shit? Explain it to me please?

I mean I was misrepresented at the start and then was an asshole for the better part of a week over it. That’s what happened and I shouldn’t have handled it like that.