I’m with you, I was really into this ep.
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I like where this is going. I would’ve been fine if they kept Mando in line with the S1 vignettes, but this works too.
He’s the Cleaner obviously.
Does the cleanup for I/II/III with Clone Wars/Rebels etc. Now it’s time to clean up the New Emperor / Trilogy mess.
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It’s funny to me, having been an adult when the prequels were released, watching it happen all over again. The prequels aren’t objectively great movies (except III) and adult fans HATED them when they came out, pilloried George Lucas, etc. All that hate was the reason Lucas sold to Disney in the first place!
Then Filoni “fixed” them with CW/Rebels and a lot of those adult fans gained a new appreciation for the story (if not the actual films), plus there was an entirely new generation who were kids when they came out who already liked them. Now people are mad that Lucas sold to Disney, but I bet they would have hated the sequels even if Lucas did them. Lucas’s leaked sequel story is…not good.
Hit me again in 20 years after all of this is done, and see how the sequel story fares.
I did check out the first few eps of S3 just to see if it was something I could get back into. It’s just a really hard sell, especially after Andor. Even desperately wanting to like it I find the dialogue to be total cringe and have trouble getting through an episode. I feel like this article sums up my feelings about the show pretty well: https://www.pastemagazine.com/tv/disney-plus-star-wars/the-mandalorian-season-3-problems
As far as any of the ~6 bad movies being “fixed” with supplimental material, hard disagree. The prequel movies (including ROTS) are still horribly unentertaining slogs to get through no matter how many cartoons they make to fill in the gaps, and there are no bread crumbs about how the New Republic fell, or how they developed cloning to create Snoke or nu Palpatine or whatever, that will make me enjoy the dumpster fire that are episodes 7-9.
And like I said, this is coming from a guy that goes into every piece of SW content actually wanting to enjoy it. But outside of the OT, Rogue One, Andor, and to a certain extent, Solo (it’s an unnecessary movie but was entertaining and has rewatch value, much to my surprise) this franchise has not remotely lived up to its potential long term.
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What would YOU like to see? Story-wise, I mean.
“More stuff like Andor” isn’t what I mean.
Ewok for dinner gnuck gnuck
It’s a fair question. I honestly wouldn’t mind some stuff in the much nearer future post ROTJ, with the main parts obviously recast (which looking back, honestly would have been the best way to go with the sequels–much as I love the actors, Ford desperately didn’t want to play Solo again, Fisher was way too old and low-energy) adapting some of the better EU stuff.
But that’s totally off the table because Disney will never admit they completely fucked up story-wise with the sequel trilogy, and will go nuts trying to prop it up with ‘supporting’ content that doesn’t deviate from the timeline where Leia became a failed leader, Han somehow went back to smuggling, Luke (who refused to give up on the most evil villain in history) tried to kill his nephew because of a bad dream and then fucked off to a corner of the galaxy to drink green titty milk.
Honestly, as far as concept, Mandalorian and Kenobi were both perfectly good premises to go with. I just think they both could have been done 100x better (in the case of Kenobi, about 1000x, that should have been a slam dunk).
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Have you watched the Clone Wars and Rebels? Especially Rebels. They HAVE adapted a lot of the EU stuff, and I’m like, 75%-80% sure they are gonna use a ton of stuff from Heir to the Empire, etc in the Filoni Mandoverse, especially in Ahsoka and Skeleton Crew.
They’ve already teased it at least twice if not more in the Mandalorian show alone.
But this quote also explains your dislike. TBH, most of the people who are dissatisfied are EU-lovers. I also love a lot of the EU, but I guess I’m not so wedded to them that anything else makes me upset/sad.
Finally, if you want a good star wars story, try playing KOTOR. For stuff in the nearer timeline (basically exactly when you said) watch a youtube or play through Jedi: Fallen Order. FO and its upcoming sequel ARE canon. KOTOR is in that grey area where you’re starting to see references to stuff from then, but the actual game is considered EU/Legends.
Thanks, I actually might check out the games. I’ve seen FO mentioned as a stark contrast to the shitty characterization of Reva and the other Inquisitors in Kenobi, so it would be interesting to see what they did.
As for CW and Rebels, I mean…I’ll admit I haven’t given them a deep dive or anything, but I’ve caught an episode here or there, and they’re very much kids’ fare to me. I have nothing against cartoons in general, but we’re not exactly talking about Archer or Bojack Horseman here. It’s just not something I’m interested in.
As far as being upset/sad about seeing anything other than specific storylines…eh. What makes me upset/sad is shitty writing, plots that insult the audience’s intelligence, total mishandling of established characters, etc. And I wouldn’t be so pissed off about the state of the franchise if it weren’t for the fact that I’m such a fan of the damn thing. Like with Star Trek for example, I’m only a moderate fan so I can watch one of the JJ Abrams movies and come out of it saying “hoo boy that probably has Roddenberry turning in his grave, but whatever it was entertaining I guess” and forget about it. Or laugh about how much worse the Matrix sequels were than the original. But SW is a different animal for me. They can do better and squandered an opportunity IMO.
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To you…but they definitely aren’t just for kids. I hesitate to recommend this because you’d be missing out on a TON of back story, but if you want an excellent Star Wars “movie”, watch episodes 9-12 of Clone Wars season 7. Takes less than 2 hours of your time. Seriously has one of the best lightsaber duels in all of star wars (motion captured, so it has real weight), plus a different perspective on Order 66 (way better than what we saw in ROTS).
I’m also a HUGE fan, I’ve watched basically everything, I know more lore than the average bear, and I really enjoy the new stuff. Well, the Shows. The sequel trilogy was bad, obviously, but I’ve accepted that it’s what they’re gonna stick with, and now I’m very interested in seeing how Filoni gets us there.
At this point I just want Star Wars content that’s good. I can handle jumping around the timeline, cartoons, or whatever, just make it good.
The OT was good. The PT were shit movies but at least we got Clone Wars out of them. The ST was shit. Sure, you can fill in the gaps of how Palpatine returned or who Snoke is or any of that stuff with other media, and if it’s good, fine. But that will never change the fact that the ST were shit movies (TFA was OK despite being ANH remake) with little value in being revisited.
But Andor was good. Rogue One was good. Mandalorian is mostly good. The cartoons are mostly good even if they are a bit more kid friendly. Just make more of this stuff.
I think TFA was the best of the sequel movies but really set up the sequels for complete failure. There was no need at all to make a quassi remake of ANH. Nobody needed to be reminded of Star Wars. It just put the timeline in a really weird spot that didn’t make any sense.
The number one baffling decision IMO that Disney has made is that they set things up in a way that sidelined Luke Skywalker. Someone made the decision to sideline the main character of the best selling movie franchise of all time and the guy who plays that main character is alive and well and very willing to reprise the role. It was just weird especially when you consider that at every moment of these movies they tried to make the audience feel the nostalgia of the original movies.
Anyways now that they screwed up the sequels so much I think they should set up a completely different timeline and make movies about the Knights of The Old Republic. Which is probably what they should have done in the first place if they were so adamant about sidelining Luke Skywalker and bringing in new younger heroes and villains and discarding the old.
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I still wonder how much Carrie Fisher’s death affected the plot of TLJ and then TRoS. Like maybe they had something better planned, but then they had to hastily edit it out of TLJ and change the plot.
I doubt much. They set the ST up to mostly sideline the Skywalkers and introduce new heroes, which was fine. But like Kep said you could’ve done a Luke centric bunch of sequels and it could’ve worked. My thought after TFA was that it was an unoriginal story but at least introduced new characters. Then they face planted the next two movies so hard.
I think this is fair. I enjoyed TFA as “put it straight in my veins” fan service. I gave up immediately after TLJ.
It is a real blown opportunity. Kylo Ren is an interesting character played by a superb actor. With better execution he could have been an all time great sci fi villain. And Finn I feel was a missed opportunity as well, Boyega is a good actor and the whole “reformed Stormtrooper” angle is a great character concept that they never really developed.
TFA was really pure fool’s gold, the parts of it that was cool and exciting were the new characters and the (at least somewhat) intriguing questions it raised about Rey’s origins and wtf drove Luke away, etc. Then when it was proven that all these were just standard JJ mystery boxes that he was punting to the next director with not a single thing planned long term…wow. I mean it’s just really baffling that they’d treat a $4B franchise this way.
It’s why a ton of people argue that TFA was truly the worst movie in the trilogy, even though arguably it’s the most entertaining. The whole “JJ throwing shit at the wall” combined with the utter and complete cop-out of a plot about a plucky group of rebels Resistance fighting to destroy the Empire’s First Order’s shockingly powerful new Death Star Starkiller Base weapon. The rest of the trilogy just had no chance.
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I was not a fan of TFA being that it was effectively a shot-for-shot remake of ANH. I already saw that movie and the first one was better. The whole sequel trilogy was mostly shit, but they did get my money to see them in theaters so mission accomplished I guess.
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