2023 Israel Conflict - Ground Forces Enter Gaza

that was from sept as part of hostage release, which qatar is holding the money, and also iran doesn’t have it yet, and also there’s significant restrictions on what they can do with it.

I know this is something called facts and they don’t care, it’s just how do we blame biden for this.

https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1710789600388469250?t=ZmLyRHv4f6t6NGhr_RUttw&s=19

I don’t know seems like you’d need a lot more shelters than this. Good luck.

Fuck. Hope you and yours stay safe, yuv. Seems like a situation where they’re both bad guys (Hamas, IDF/gov) and the civilians will pay the price.

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This is most surprising to me too. Figured they would have enough Intel assets to know about this in advance. Maybe they did.

Oh that’s great idea.

There was almost no army present in Gaza Envelope because they were all guarding a bunch of lunatics in the west bank trying to parade the streets of Palestinian cities because god told them so.

Every single member of the cabinet should resign and probably trialed for treason. Of course none of that will happen.

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They didn’t. Israel has been in disarray since Netanyahu’s governemnt of full blown incompetent fascist lunatics has formed. These people aren’t just evil, they are completely ill equipped to run a country.

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Mossad being completely caught on this is just unreal, they were supposed to be top tier.

I know you’re not going to catch everything but not a single spy over there? damn ultimate moment of so what exactly do you do here?

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Probably too soon to say this since the scope of the attack isn’t yet fully in relief, but if it is to be said that this is Israel’s 9/11, then hopefully, out of self-interest alone and not just because of the total humanitarian cost, Israel’s leaders will plot a course that is far less destructive, expensive, and counterproductive than the one taken by American leaders after America’s 9/11.

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? Wtf you on about?

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Yeah, I hear those elderly Jews have lived pretty trauma-free lives.

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It was evident to a few at the time, and now it seems to be a wide consensus, that America reacted poorly to 9/11, curtailing domestic rights and dumping trillions of dollars into unwinnable wars. Is there something controversial here?

I don’t know what you mean or take me to be saying. I don’t like the lazy formulation of “x’s 9/11”, there have been a few attempts at that (Madrid, 7/7, Bataclan) since 9/11 to put that frame on various massacres; but this is not to minimize anything, 9/11 isn’t some magical gold standard of human suffering that other nations meet or exceed.

Yeah I don’t understand the shitty responses to smrk. Seems like an understandable take. I don’t doubt Israel views this as comparable to 9/11. And I hope their response isn’t as catastrophic. What’s the problem with these positions?

I think the circumstances are very different and one shouldn’t look for similarities between this and 911.

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I didn’t say this but I was watching CNN and somebody said accounting for population size that this was actually 3x bigger than 9/11, and then I’m seeing a bunch of xeets about this being 9/11 and I just wanted to comment if this is like 9/11 then I hope the decision makers make better decisions than the ones America made after 9/11, that was the motivation for my comment.

It’s both analytically silly and inherently political to brand something as 9/11, so maybe we agree? This is not to minimize anything that has/is happening, maybe this will turn out to be “worse” than 9/11, I just think it’s a poor way to frame things.

I have slightly more sympathy for this being likened to Pearl Harbor, as Hamas is closer to a nation state than to a cell of alqaeda, but it’s still an unwieldy, unnecessarily Americanized analogy.

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doesn’t matter what people want to refer it as, reality is gaza is going to get razed to the ground

at least they probably won’t invade a different country for it unless iran fully jumps in

or egypt if it starts getting out of hand

Don’t forget Lebanon. Israel likes to invade them every several years.

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I assume the risk of another nation getting directly involved here is relatively small, it would be 6 days and done like the last time, but time will not stop, what does Gaza look like in a year, in 5? Like I assume Israel will achieve its immediate war aims relatively quickly and successfully, but how many forces will have to remain there, will it be sustainable, seems doubtful.

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1710872949165629840?t=OI0jcvnFudc5GpHLXryf0A&s=19