2023 Israel Conflict - Ground Forces Enter Gaza

The reality is that Palestinians as a group are unpopular around the Middle East, and no country wants to risk the instability that Jordan and Lebanon experienced way back when when they were thrust into the middle of the fight.

Egypt could easily begin helping the Palestinians, but like every other Arab country, they just don’t care enough (or even at all) to offer actual help.

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I read that too. I’ll believe it when I see it in real life.

lmao

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Lol, you’ve been to Gaza?

I mean isn’t Israel the sole shining beacon of democracy in the middle east? Netanyahu was reelected a few times right?

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https://x.com/NolanDMcCaskill/status/1712909576784277646?s=20

Just lol. I can’t imagine being a total fraud and then screaming about ethics at the top of my lungs.

People are astounding.

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I think it’s lower, but we don’t have an exact poll that attempts to answer that exact question. I have seen polls suggesting 50%-60% of support for Hamas vs. other political organizations. See here, as an example.

As noted in that poll, support for Hamas skews younger as well. Perhaps a sign that the more of one’s life spent in subjugation at the hands of Israel, the more prone a person is to extremism. This is speculation, but it is logical.

Sadly, I am guessing that when Israel launches their land invasion of Gaza, the brutality of the attack and the inevitable “collateral damage” of civilian deaths will increase Islamic extremism in the region and support for Hamas specifically. In particular, I would guess that support for Hamas in the West Bank will increase when the IDF crushes Gaza. They certainly won’t be hailed as liberators.

Arab countries don’t seem to be too big on charity.

Lol, I am no fan of Islam but charity is a big part of the religion and it is followed in the culture. Issue is so many countries have been destabilized in the last decade and a half that there has been millions and millions of refugees flowing from country to country. I mean look at this, refugees deciding which country they are least likely to die in:

EU lost their goddamn minds over taking in a comparably trivial # of Syrian refugees and was a big part of Trump’s 2016 campaign that may have tipped the scales in his favor.

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That’s just because you can’t imagine yourself as a total fraud. Republicans are always accusing people of what they themselves do because that’s how frauds operate.

Santos is a full-on fabulist, like he has legitimately diagnosable mental health problems.

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https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1712889452786602305?t=_TkrNaj9Gs2jFBANXKIutg&s=19

https://twitter.com/MSF/status/1712909047844700616?t=Re7pC1iTxVNrdveGEsUN-Q&s=19

Evacuate a hospital? I don’t even get that. Like, presumably they think Hamas is using the hospital as some kind of sneaky base, so they are just going to turn it into rubble too bad about not having a hospital now? The whole evacuation notices for bombings is so dystopian and bizarre to me. Call ahead to reserve your bombing run today!

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i think the cruelty has largely become the point. once you have israeli government leaders openly talking about supporting and committing war crimes and seemingly getting no pushback from the western world, whats a little bombed hospital between friends.

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I think they are just planning to level everything (or at least don’t want to have to worry about being careful about any buildings) and know killing doctors and patients with no warning is a bad look. I’m guessing quite a few of the doctors are foreign citizens, so they are being extra careful about killing those with no warning.

I think the leaflets and evacuation requests in general are similar. They know most can’t or won’t evacuate, but the warnings at least give them some cover that the civilian casualties are not their fault.

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Lets say they actually commence with levelling everything in the north in the next 48 hours. We know that not everybody will get out. How many casualties are we looking at here, 50K? 100K?

I can tell you that Bibi and others are fighting for their lives (almost literally) and legacy. There’s no pushback whatsoever to “leveling Gaza” from any major sector of society. The horrors of Saturday (now up to 1400 murdered) are just too strong.

I just read a post by Oren Dobronsky who owns a chain of restaurants in the Bay Area (Oren’s Hummus for those in the area) and one of the hosts in the Israeli version of “the sharks”. Where he proudly says ending Hamas regime is not enough and how Israel must turn Gaza into the largest parking lot in the world, for all to see. It will become a tourist attraction and a reminder to any Palestinian about what would happen to them if they try it again.

I’m not even in a position to judge anyone in my country. The rage is unexplainable to the outside. It is seen as a duty not only to revenge Saturday’s actions, but as a symbol to revenging the holocaust. Again, just saying the sentiment here shared by nearly all the population. And this is while we still have hostages. If there are words that the hostages are dead (either by Hamas or by our bombing), there will be even less incentive in the public to consider what happens there.

All this to say that the world needs to pressure Egypt to open the border and let refugees in. Sinai desert is an area 20x+ times larger than Gaza that is almost empty. You can set up temporary shelter there. Build field hospitals. Save the lives of so many. There’s no point in talking to Israel now.

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