Israel bad is a legitimate stance.
Holocaust survivors are illegal immigrants isn’t. He’s a fascist. Only the most extreme white supremacist groups think that way. He linked that page and said that’s how he educated himself on the conflict.
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I linked to a giant list of mainstream media resources. You seized on specific things with in that to try to discredit me. I didn’t write the descriptions in there and I’ve said I dont necessarily agree with all of it. But you trying to paint me as a nazi is obviously dishonest. Just like trying to pin me into a corner on my specific sources/education is a dishonest tactic so that when I say Finkelstein or Said or whatever you can make the conversation about Finkelsteins abhorrent views on trans people. Its a common tactic but very transparent since you refused to say who you find credible in this space and clearly don’t put the same level of scrutiny on any of your sources.
That was literally the first sentence in a list claiming how the Israeli-Arab conflict started that you linked.
You don’t get any passes. You posted it if someone “really wants to learn about the conflict”. Nothing can save you from this.
This is what social media education look like.
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No one here is a Nazi and everyone seems to acknowledge that both sides of the conflict have behaved horribly, people need to take a breath.
No one is, but those who wrote:
Anyway, for others and in the vein of education, this is a useful resource whenever you think something doesn’t quite add up
and THE FIRST paragraph there is:
The British disarmed the Palestinian people from 1936-1939 during the ‘Great Arab Revolt’ whilst turning a blind eye to illegal immigration by European Jews
are ‘nazi adjacent’ to paraphrase, well, you.
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Man it should be telling that the only people with this basic and obviously correct stance - denouncing the attacks while being anti-occupation - are… The libs. Everyone else is being very clear about what they believe and you should stop calling it a knee jerk response or whatever and listen to them.
Ok I condemn that characterization and I categorically guarantee that there are other elements in that huge crowd sourced doc that are inaccurate or produced with potentially questionable agendas. The point of it is that you dont often see the “history” collected in one place. I should have known that the pro move is never putting out any actual sources or evidence in this space and just referring to is abstractly, since it is all 100% tainted.
I might be misreading your post and missing the irony, but I disagree if at face value. Ilhan Omar isn’t a lib and neither are the majority of non-libs leftist who have their own stance on it. The Jake777/Mia K are not a representation of non-lib leftism.
Throw in Mia K, who has said different thing than I have - what is the relevancy of that other than to straw man? Agin with the dishonesty, which idiot lib celebrity should I lump you in with or is that somehow only a valid tactic for you? Who are the reps of non-lib leftism on this topic by the way?
The vast majority of worldwide communists and a plurality of American non-lib leftists claimed their allegiance to the Jake/Mia/Bakes/Jwax/Fabian2 side over the weekend. Did you see that the national DSA chapter announced a Palestinian celebration several hours and multiple tweets before even mentioning the victims?
Ilhan is a politician and her statement was a notable exception. I’m sure she’s getting tons of hate for it.
As someone who was brought up on Socialism and since hundreds of Kibbutzim were slaughtered and executed on saturday, I refuse to accept that, even if you are right (I don’t know if you are, I’ve been too busy).
For all its problems, pre-Elon Twitter was handy as a news aggregator, not it’s become completely enshittified. Really hoping the journalists migrate to Bluesky.
After this is “over”, we will hunt down those who allowed this to happen. Mark my words. We’ll be on the streets until everyone in this govrnemnt is brought to justice.
This guy, an MP from Ben Gvir party, who set up his office in the middle of Huwara and had hundreds of soldiers guard his traitor ass while socialists were executed in Be’eri and Kfar Gaza.
He’s nothing but a symbol, but symbols are important.
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Vox has been posting some very good stuff for those of us that want insights instead of fist fights.
No single article can capture the whole story, obviously, but these are strong attempts to provide good context, IMO.
It’s possible that Kibbutz socialism is closer to liberal social democracy than to hammer and sickle communism.
Yet are unable to provide any tangible difference so you thought you’d make your useless post ratio higher by 1
Are you serious?
Ukraine didn’t attack Russia before the invasion
Palestine isn’t a country
Palestine isn’t supported by the rest of the globe
Why do you think they are analogous? Because they both have things that go boom?
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sure hamas murdered babies but israel are the real bad guys here