I didn’t say acceptable. I’m just happy enough to pull the lever to divert the trolley away from 80% of the people, and then get back to trying to find a way to stop it.
It’s sort of a prisoners dillemma, and your approach is going to lose pretty badly in this situation.
Susan Collins is a human piece of garbage.
Hopefully that’ll be Former Senator Susan Collins somewhat soon.
Honestly not seeing how this is even kinda true. Sure drone strikes have risen under trump, but are there like 4-5x as many? And like, edems still want the kids in cages, just nicer cages with their family beside them.
Also it’s really just impossible to state how fucked up it was that people supported the Iraq war.
4.77x as many.
This also isn’t true, it’s tough to compare because there’s so little transparency under Trump, but the number of detained immigrants has also skyrocketed on top of family separation skyrocketing and conditions deteriorating. The number of border apprehensions in 2019 was more than double what it was in Obama’s final year in office. 852K vs about 400K according to Pew Research.
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1303524417163718658?s=20
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1303525666151895042?s=20
I would love to see some polling for this race, tbh.
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1303408968648265728?s=20
A Tillis staffer said the quiet part out loud on a phone call the constituent was recording.
https://twitter.com/robertjdenault/status/1303480362849439744?s=21
How is Issa up 54-30 among Urban voters? That seems odd.
yeah, there’s not much insight into what they consider “urban”, either. Like, the entire district is what I would consider suburban and rural, so I’m not sure where those people are.
In fairness to our next president, we have since come to learn that his accuser was a professional liar in court. By contrast, there is zero doubt about Coleman.
Can we stop with the purity derail on the senate thread?
I just can’t stop myself from criticizing Pete so here goes:
It seems like kind of a messaging mistake to try to frame this as a debate over which plan will make the senate more responsive to its voters. The GOP has an easy response of “When you email your senator, you don’t get a genuine response. When you email your state rep, you’ll often have a direct response from them, and they’ll follow up and make sure your pothole gets filled. Which one is more responsive?” And they wouldn’t be wrong in pointing that out. It’s kind of laughable to think Senators are responsive to their voters in any way currently.
The issue is that the GOP gerrymandered a bunch of state legislatures and now want a system that results in states that vote 60% dem having two GOP senators. Just point that out instead of veering into meaningless platitudes about responsiveness to citizens.
You use the lesser of two evil arguments as a moral shield. As long as the other option is worse you have no moral responsibility for what your vote actually condones: drone striking civilians and kids in cages.
It’s not a prisoner’s dilemma in several aspects: you have more than 2 options and we do not only measure one variable in the outcome. Again your vote represents moral responsibility for the actions of the administration you voted for. Pointing to the worse option does not totally absolve you of that.
Like, to follow up on this, I work in a job where I field a lot of complaints from state legislators. My wife works in a job where she fields occasional complaints from US Senators.
The state reps’ complaints are nearly always on behalf of individuals who have issues with conditions in their community and want the local government to fix them. That doesn’t mean there aren’t sometimes stupid/NIMBY type complaints, but they’re from voters. The US Senators’ complaints are 100% on behalf of corporations who are angry that the federal government is trying to regulate them. Never from individuals who want the federal government to help them in some way.
Anecdotal, obviously, and also a function of having a bunch of deplorable US Senators vs 100% democratic local politicians in Baltimore, but basically Pete’s framing of how the Senate currently works rings pretty hollow.
Do we get any moral responsibility if the number of drone strikes decreases?
This should definitely be the GOP position. They’d get two Republican senators each in PA, MI, WI, AZ, etc. Their gerrymandered legislatures could deliver senators. They’d also be able to block out progressives if blue states adopted it. Like Bernie would have no shot at a Senate seat in this system.
