Respect for proper crow eating. Nothing wrong with hating caucuses, only with getting angry that more people participate.
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Yeah this is 100% about which way the nonwhite vote goes now. If they donāt back Bernie in a significant way weāre fucked.
To be clear I think adding Klob+Pete+Biden and measuring them against Sanders + Warren + Yang + Steyer is super rational for figuring out the relative size of the centrist vs progressive coalitions. I think that matters because I think that thereās a good chance weāre down to 3-4 viable candidates by Super Tuesday (Bernie + maybe Warren, and Pete/Klob + Bloomberg)ā¦ whereupon the size of the coalitions in play will matter a LOT.
This wouldnāt quite jive with the messaging.
I think thereās a good chance no one else drops out before Super Tuesday at this point. Maybe Tulsi? No one else has a reason to.
You guys are making the fatal error almost all smart, engaged political observers make: assuming voters are ideologically driven.
People are fucking morons with no coherent political ideology. They vote for people for all kids of reasons, including wanting to vote for the winner, randomly voting on a single issue, seeing a commercial they liked, etc. It makes no sense that former Biden supporters will go to Bernie, but lots of them are front running morons who are sure to do just that. Similarly, there will be plenty of Liz to Klob voters. Itās just how it is.
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This is correct and why I both love and hate the interviews with any actual voter over 40. Theyāre all like: āWell, Iām in a union, voted for trump, donāt believe in climate change and like both bloomberg and Sanders. My biggest issue is healthcare.ā
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The case you guys are making massively massively favors Bloomberg for both the primary and the general. The guy can spend more money than Coke on marketing in 2020 without missing a step. That shit works.
Yeah. Itās problem.
I mean on the plus side itās fucking terrible for Trump too. Bloombergās ad quality is already quite a bit better than the typical eDem. Thatās probably because heās using genuinely capable marketing people. Heās also more than happy to force Trump into a dick measuring contest and beat him to death with his leathery old bankrollā¦
I mean look I want a progressive to win really badly, but right now after what weāve witnessed in the last six months with Trump Iād probably snap take Bloomerg as POTUS for 2020 if you could give me 100% over Trump. No I wouldnāt enjoy making that call, but Iām also seriously figuring out what my plans are to move to another country if Trump wins. (So far it canāt be Canada unless I get divorcedā¦ too cold)
I agree with this, but it doesnāt make me feel any better. Because everything you laid out is true, media coverage matters a ton. If the irrational voters are getting Pete and Amy shoved down their throats, theyāre going to end up backing Pete or Amy.
Mini Mike is just a competent version of trump though. Heāll take trumps monarch powers and actually use them for more than just getting his gang of utter morons lower sentences. The trump gestapo will just be red-faced thumb-men who are easily outsmarted. Yes itāll suck in a major way and leaving the country aint a bad idea but the bloomberg SS with be ruthless and efficient. Trump thinks heās a god. Mike thinks heās a god and that he knows whatās best for everyone.
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Jesus Christ at the hyperbole of comparing Mike Bloomberg to the SS, or Trump.
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Bloomberg thinks all black people are natural criminals who need harsh treatment to keep them in line. As a mayor his stop and frisk policy was draconian. As a literal unimpeachable king what will it be like? The SS is hyperbole but worse than trump is definitely in the conversation.
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No.
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Exactly. Stop watching the droolers and establishment hacks on the networks and just think about this for a second. Bernieās worst demo is old whites. Klob and Peteās best demo is old whites.
Bernie beat these clowns in the only type of states they have a chance to win. Which are white as a klan rally, trending old enclaves. Thatās it. Do you think Pete has any chance in a diverse state? No. What about Klob and Bloomberg? Also probably no. The vast vast majority of dem delegates are in diverse states.
Add in the fact Republicans could vote in NH and Iām sure Pete does great with that segment as well. That wonāt be the case everywhere either.
So there isnāt going to be this broad group voting for Pete/Amy as it stands today. Because old white people are a much smaller part of the electorate everywhere else. So take a deep breath and realize Bernie is a massive favorite for now and enjoy it.
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Eh. Your post implies that you think the worst thing about Trump is kids in cages. I think the worst thing about Trump is that heās a climate change denier who is busy intentionally making it harder to do anything about something that could literally drive the whole species extinct.
Iāve posted above what I think was going on with stop and frisk, and I think Mike Bloomberg is wrong about it. I donāt think Mike is likely to do much of anything real about inequality which is a HUGE problem.
At the same time Trump is over there pardoning war criminals and actively undermining our whole democracy. I donāt see Mike Bloomberg actually using his powers in remotely the same way, and I wonāt be staying up at night worrying about whether heāll leave office if he loses.
Iām not saying I actually like the guy, but vs Trump heās infinitely betterā¦ which is what happens when the other guy is either at zero or a negative number depending on what scale you use.
Yeah this whole race hinges on how the nonwhite vote breaks in NV and SC. If they go for Bernie this is basically already over because Bernie will have won.
Iām not even a little worried about Klob and Pete because youāre absolutely right that nonwhites arenāt going to vote for them. Biden was and might still be dangerous because he did/does well with nonwhites.
Bloombergās conflicts of interest will be way way way worse than Trumpās due to the sheer size of Bloombergās business empire. Heās way more of an oligarch than Trump. But probably better in most every other way.
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Eh heās rich enough that he wonāt use the office to enrich himself probably. He doesnāt need more money and I suspect heās smart enough to know it. If anything heāll try really hard to avoid the appearance of impropriety.
Just about the worst thing he might do is sic a bunch of his Bloomberg organization people on the people who compile stats for the federal governmentā¦ which might not be the worst thing since Bloomberg is far and away the best service for that kind of thing out there.
Thereās just a huge difference in terms of how Bloomberg makes his money vs how Trump makes his money. Bloombergās business generates enormous amounts of value that people happily pay for and Trump is a career rent seeker who does money laundering. Thereās basically no comparison between them on business.
Stopping by to say WAA so Fād.