I listen to audiobooks when I home sometimes but usually it’s goofy comedy podcasts.
I worry that the stress is gonna offset the health benefits from pushing yourself this hard.
Moar burpees.
I do low impact stuff now. One thing I have tons of is time. So I can get the same benefit from 3 hours of working out and walking as I did from one hour of circuit training - and much less torturous. Although I don’t quite get the same endorphin high.
Here’s a perfect example. I’m not trying to diet at the moment so I’m just annoyed that chrome spellcheck is such a piece of garbage from $2T company with 1000s of engineers making $500k/year. If I was dieting I would have screamed at the computer screen like Sam Kinneson.
Yeah Google that’s what I meant - why don’t you talk to your dimwitted cousin Chrome about it?
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For sure. Exercise relieves stress for me. Dieting creates it.
I wonder if I could do the PCT and not lose weight.
I’ve kept this tab open since I found out about it here. I have an appointment with my endocrinologist in a few weeks. I was supposed to be on TRT for the last 6 months, but they never called in the prescription so I decided to just reset and see where I’m at w/o crashing after being on test.
Is this the kind of thing you ask an endocrinologist about, or will he just tell me to talk to my primary care doctor?
You should definitely ask your endocrinologist about it. Very likely he/she will have a deep understanding of how it works and how effective it would be for you, maybe even deeper than your PCP.
However, after that discussion it wouldn’t surprise me if you were told to just let your PCP manage it to start and the PCP can refer you to the endocrinologist if there are specific problems with the medication where the endocrinologist’s input would be helpful.
It’s also possible that the endocrinologist might just deal with it themselves.
But either way, I would definitely at least get the endocrinologist’s opinion about what they think about you going on that medicine. That seems like it would be a valuable insight.
Near 0% chance your plan will cover it, can’t hurt to ask.
If you haven’t tried it already, I’d suggest you start a log in H&F on 22. You’ll get good advice on how you can potentially overcome this.
Your post actually reminds me of YTF. Back in the day he used to claim that the hunger impacted him in a unique way and that it would make him feel like a POW being tortured (that’s almost verbatim). He said no one could understand how it made him feel. He started a log and lost about 200 lbs off of his peak and that feeling of being tortured was not an issue.
Of course, as you’re likely aware, he stopped logging, gained a ton of it back, and ultimately died of a heart attack (I think). So, the key is doing something that is sustainable. That will require some commitment on your part, but I think the H&F bros will point you in the right direction. Traffic is lower there, so you won’t get as much feedback as he did. But that might be a good thing. Just keep logging.
Suzzer is flush with cash from STONKS, so he should be good no matter what.
I’ve been down the H&F route. Don’t really feel like getting into the CICO debate all over again, nor being told to just do Starting Strength and everything will work out.
I’ve been trying to diet my entire adult life. For the last 20 years or so - I eat pretty healthy and I generally get a ton of exercise. I recognize that some of my problem is hunger-related but I also think some of it is metabolism-related, possibly from losing 50 lbs in a semester by starving myself in college, and other crash diet phases.
I weigh 255. I’d like to lose 30-50 lbs. I’ve lost it before but every time I start a new job I gain it back in that first period where I’m trying to prove myself and don’t want to be grumpy around my new coworkers. New plan is no more new 9-5 ever, so maybe I can keep it off this time, if I can somehow lose it.
YTF was the guy who thought two bagels with peanut butter was a healthy breakfast and iirc seemingly hadn’t done a day of exercise in his life.
I also get hangry. When I’m trying to cut weight I try to eat the same volume of food I’m used to, just making it with healthier stuff that’s less calorically dense like chicken breast, veggies, etc–stuff that will fill me up so I don’t have that shitty empty feeling in my stomach one hour later. Is there anything in your typical diet you can swap out to save a few calories here and there without making a big change?
If you’re doing “caloric deficits” yourself, I’m not sure what kind of CICO argument you will get into.
As far as the SS stuff is concerned, H&F has evolved substantially on that point. Besides, I thought you like to lift. So if it is just the specific program that you don’t like, there are plenty of others. Nevertheless, if you said “I want to lose weight and I don’t want to lift”, you would still get good advice to meet those requirements.
What are the usual program recommendations these days? My workout has been a self-modified version of SS for years. It’s gotten me good results so I’m not looking to change but I’m always curious to know what the latest programs look like.
I think it would depend on your goals. For a newb who has never touched a bar, it would be SS still. I’m sure GSLP or anything similar would be fine as well. But if for some reason you really didn’t want to do that (i.e., like Suzzer), I’m sure you could still get good advice.
In your case, I’m sure it would be some intermediate program of which there are many. I’m definitely no expert on programming (I personally don’t have the time and/or discipline to stick to any lifting program, so I know nothing about them) , so I’m not sure exactly what it would be.
Haha yea I guess I should have assumed “it depends” was the answer considering how many variables are involved. The number of intermediate programs always intimidated me so I never bothered doing a full analysis of alternatives.
I used to read r/fitness occasionally, 531 based programs were pretty popular.
I used to keep a log on H&F for something like 7 years and received tons of great feedback. It was such an interesting little niche forum within the poker community with some true expertise or at least the self-awareness (for some) to point to the actual experts. It looks like there are still quite a few active logs but I’m guessing it’s a shell of its former self.
Anyway, I started going to the gym again and am a little stuck in this “which program should I do?” phase too. For one, I love to do the snatch and clean & jerk, so most beginner programs don’t program those lifts. There are a few beginner weightlifting programs that look decent and I’m evaluating. The other and more important thing, I have a significant heart condition that limits the intensity with which I can lift. So that means basically nothing “heavy” and the whole “progressive overload” approach may not be the best angle for me. At the moment I’m just trying to be active and regain quality range of motion by doing something like this each time I go in:
- 3x5 light squats (alternate back and front)
- alternate snatches and c&j
- 3x5 light presses (alternate bench and OHP)
I’m also considering resurrecting my log since I believe that helped keep me accountable and motivated but don’t think I can bring myself to post on 2p2 regularly. So perhaps I can start that here? I’m not really sure yet
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I think others have had logs here, no clue why it wouldn’t work.
Also I quit cleans a while back but still do snatches occasionally. I honestly think they’re the most fun exercise in the gym ainec. Taking a big weight and throwing it up over your head in one motion is awesome.
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Scared the shit out of me
It did though. Still confuses me how anyone could think otherwise. Did you see how big he was before he passed?
*Don’t get me wrong, YTF was not knowledgeable about nutrition when he entered the thread to say the least, but everyone piled on and ignored some of the key underlying stuff he was saying. The way he described food and hunger blows my mind and people were saying that shit was normal, that everyone feels that way.