Pete is already a lot more than just the mayor of South Bend.
I like skydiver too, but doesn’t mean I have to be the second biggest mayor Pete booster around here.
Let’s be clear about one thing. To me, the McKinsey shit wouldn’t matter at all if he basically came out and said “I did some shitty stuff because I wanted to work for a powerful company. I believe things should be different and here are my actually liberal policies that show what I truly believe.”
BUT
Instead, he’s taking huge amounts of money from institutions like McKinsey, he hasn’t repudiated what he did, and he’s trying to just gloss over all of the related stuff.
That’s the issue. People work shitty jobs for shitty companies, I get it. You can always stand for something and own up to it. His entire platform and life SCREAMS that he’s doing whatever he thinks is best to achieve power.
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Mckinsey is not a disqualification imo, but it’s definitely a negative. Obama was ambitious too but he didn’t go off after college to be a Management Consultant, he went to be a community organizer.
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Seriously in my early 20’s I worked retention for a health insurance company. It was the worst job I’ve ever had, and I still occasionally have nightmares about still doing that. People have shitty jobs sometimes… even shitty jobs that they tried really hard to get like McKinsey (I had the health insurance job because I needed the money lol).
But yes it’s painfully obvious to anyone looking at Pete objectively that he’ll do whatever he thinks will work to get power. He’s super scary as a human being.
Pretty sure he went straight to law school and then straight to a professorship, but I could be wrong.
He basically achieved one of the most prestigious jobs in the legal profession immediately. I don’t see a huge difference between that and what GOPete did, at least in terms of professional ambition, to be honest.
I do think there’s a difference between being a law professor and a McKinsey bagman, but I wouldn’t say Obama was humble and went off and did community service after law school…quite the opposite.
EDIT: Alright I checked, Obama was a community organizer BEFORE law school. After law school he became a professor immediately.
I’m not saying Obama was humble. I’m saying what he did was good, or at least not bad.
wtf are you talking about? There’s an entire chapter of his book where he talks about McKinsey.
Taking huge amounts of money from McKinsey? I’ve already posted on here that he doesn’t take corporate donations, do I really need to screenshot his donation page AGAIN? And if you link open secrets to me, so help me god I’ll like you all of Bernie’s info on there and ask why he’s taking so much corporate money from Alphabet and Amazon!!!
Seriously dude, this is that cynicism thing I’m talking about. If Pete wanted power like some scary madman, why would he have not STAYED AT MCKINSEY? Money is power, and if he was this mad genius he’d stay there and amass it. Instead, he left that shitty job to come back to his falling apart home city and try to turn it around.
“If he isn’t breaking his NDA and exposing himself to major liability, he must have something to hide!”
C’mon man, you’re just straight conspiritarding here and inventing things out of whole cloth. I’m pretty sure everyone running has signed an NDA at some point, especially your boy Yang.
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lmao literally the headline of this article
“Immigration rights groups call on Buttigieg to return McKinsey-related donations”
Unsurprisingly, he refused to return the donations:
Asked if he would return donations from McKinsey employees in light of the Times reporting, the South Bend mayor responded on Wednesday, “I don’t believe that anybody involved in that (ICE) effort has had anything to do with our campaign. And, and so, you know, that’s separate from anything related to us.”
“Pete has been frustrated and disappointed with some of the decisions McKinsey made since he stopped working there nearly a decade ago, and he has called the work they did with ICE ‘disgusting.’ Pete is a strong defender of immigrant rights and is appreciative of the important work these organizations do. As a campaign that lives our values, we will not accept contributions from anyone who was involved in that project,” said Buttigieg campaign spokesman Sean Savett.
“We have combed through thousands of pages of documents that ProPublica obtained to ensure that we had never accepted a donation from any McKinsey employee who was named as being involved in this project, and if any were to donate to Pete, we would immediately return their donation,” Savett continued.
Yeah “who was named as being involved with this project”
That means he takes donations from McKinsey-related people or entities, they just aren’t involved with the ICE shit.
It’s a distinction without a real difference.
LOL McKinsey has been populated with scumbags (from good schools!) since long before Pete was born. Like even the denials are dishonest and betray a lack of understanding about what the problem even is.
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scumbags work at every company. But saying everyone who works at a company is a scumbag is a fallacy that I refuse to buy into.
I’m sure the IT guy in the basement is a scumbag, though, and his donation should be returned, along with a note that says “fuck you, dude, i don’t want your support, sorry you need to pay rent, be more virtuous”
oops, that was meant to be a reply to @boredsocial
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Again these things in isolation would be whatever, it’s just when all of it comes together, it raises serious red flags for me regarding his honesty and real objectives.
Stop falling for this bullshit. It does nothing but benefit the candidate you all hate to keep talking about nothing but the candidate you all hate.
Also, stop pretending the candidates you support are perfect. We should be better than the cultist Trump supporters. The ganging up and dunking on the obvious faults of a guy who, while obviously a shitty representative of the progressive movement that most of us here care about, literally has only one supporter here, is pointless.
You’re all tilting at windmills here even responding to any of this. I get it, it took me a bit of time to get to this point too, but this is exactly what the Republicans do. They get you responding to and focusing on their terribleness rather than focusing on the good of your candidate and elections tend to be won by who the election becomes focused on.
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This is not just a thumbs up or down on whether we like mayor Pete or not. It’s about who is the president of the United States. We shouldn’t just think that the candidate is probably sincere and we should give them the benefit of doubt and assume that everything they put in their white papers is something that they really mean. We should be very certain of who this person is and what they are about as proven by an established track record.
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The community organizing was fake though.
Like you all realize you’re literally talking to someone who, while not exactly employed by the campaign, is essentially a campaign staffer. To expect them to change their mind or even have a discussion in good faith is incredibly naive. How many times does Lucy have to pull the football away before you realize this is all pointless to discuss on here?
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If there’s nothing to argue about, there is no thread. That’s why Biden doesn’t get this much attention.
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Once again trying to reframe this as an argument about individual donors. It’s about private fundraisers that Warren and Sanders have sworn off, where lobbyists and execs get closed-door no press allowed access to Pete.
“The mayor should be releasing who’s on his finance committee, who are the bundlers who are raising big money for him, who he’s given titles to and made promises to, and he should open up the doors so that the press can follow the promises that he’s making in these big dollar fundraisers,” Warren said, citing Americans’ concerns about “corruption.”
“Those doors shouldn’t be closed,” Warren continued. “And no one should be left to wonder what kind of promises are being made to the people who can pony up big bucks to be in the room.”
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