When will the guy who just had a heart attack release his medical records?
Edit: and yes, this is based off Soledad’s retweets bc I had forgotten he promised access a while back.
When he takes office don’t you worry.
Nothing would make me happier than seeing Bernie be the nominee. He represents the base and his ideas should be front and center. He would be the single easiest candidate for a Republican to beat. There would be an endless loop of his Cuba, Sandinista, Venezuela, Argentina, breadlines quotes. People who think Bernie is a strong candidate are saying that because they like him not based on fact. The word socialism is still deeply unpopular with the country. Bernie would lose by 150 electoral votes against an unpopular president. Bernie is McGovern and will go a long way toward destroying the Democrat party.
The only possible crossover candidates would be if Bloomberg ran and to a much lesser extent Biden. I don’t know if they are stronger candidates but I would certainly consider Bloomberg. The crazies might think Bloomberg is too “right wing” and “neoliberal”. Small town mayors and random people like Yang are never going to be president. Warren and her protectionist views and more tempered communist rhetoric is probably the best candidate for getting both blue collar workers and crazies.
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Bernie would have beat him in 2016 and will beat him in 2020 if nominated. I use polls as my evidence of this, many of them.
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The R machine hadn’t gone after bernie so the reality is we’ll never know.
So much butthurt revisionist dumbfuckery itt it’s difficult to keep up.
Hilldog was easily THE most qualified person to run for POTUS of all time. It’s not even debatable. Her education would make even the least of prestige whores’ dicks hard. The resume is virtually complete, law, activist, First Lady, cabinet position, senator, philanthropist etc etc etc. She ran a “horrible” campaign which managed to garner the 2nd highest vote total since they fucking invented elections despite the totes liberal lamestream media jerking off daily to stories of email servers and bleach and stumbling getting into the van and a whore rapist husband. All while starting Every race -10 seconds behind by virtue of not having a penis and the headwinds of 30 goddamned determined years of Repubes in Congress trying to destroy her at every turn over shit like Benghazi and some fucking land deal she lost money on. Was she perfect? Of course not, she made questionable decisions and votes and did things to piss off the Pure Left same as the rest. But she would have moonwalked into the Oval Office in January 2017 and proceeded to do a competent job at a minimum And give 90% of the people here at least 70% of what they say they want. But there would still be bitching because that’s what we fucking do. And while we do it, known shitbags like Trump walk in and show us what a horrible person running things actually looks like and instead of rethinking our feelings about her, we blame her for him!
Pulls your heads out of your asses. She wasn’t the “lesser of two evils,” she was the goddamned actual superior choice by an infinite margin who’s been right about everything since. We need as many people with her pedigree on our team as possible. JFC
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I might have posted that in the wrong thread I just got back from happy hour and I meant for it to go in the thread where noobs were shitting on Hillary so mods please move it there if this isn’t that
On the other hand she sucked ass. She wasn’t the most qualified ever. First lady is not a qualification. She was a one term Secretary of State and a fucking awful one at that. Just the contrast with Kerry is mindblowing. She was a short term Senator who fucking introduced a flag burning bill. She was wrong about just about everything her whole life from Goldwater Girl, to campaigning for mass incarceration, to the war in Iraq.
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This stuff probably does belong in a re-litigation thread, but HARD disagree with this.
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Ding ding ding. Her entire resume except getting her JD was made up. Her time as senator was effectively a fixed race in a super safe district she never lived in where the existing politician retired from. She was sec state almost surely because of her husband. Her time proposing legislation in the 90s was because of her husband, and she did a great job continuing the legacy of GWB arming muslim despots and fighting the good imperalist fight all around the world. It feels nice to talk about her like it was girl power or something but nothing was further from the truth.
Her campaign was terrible. She tried to peel of votes from a segment of people who literally hated her. Anyone with a brain could tell you chiefsplanet would cast 0 votes for HRC. The entire middle 95% of the county had Trump signs everywhere without a blue sign to be seen. Shocking, a politician that has never campaigned a single race in her life thought she do nothing and win.
Obama is as much to blame as anyone because as likable as he was, he promised so much before his first term but over a period of 8 years delivered on nothing but the Republican healthcare plan. His cabinet was literally appointed by Citibank. The only reason there was a minimum shit talk about him was cause he was the first black president and gwb was an atrociously terrible average Republican president. 2016 was a choice between the lessor of two evils, the dnc forced this ethical quandary by fixing the primary in at least 3 different major ways and there were other scandals than the FBI probe that could have just as easily destroyed her if the press would talk about corruption.
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Hillary was garbage, her “qualifications” are largely being married to Bill Clinton. PS: I’m already against Chelsea’s inevitable entrance into national politics.
I wouldn’t call it inevitable. She’s not going to get very far if she tries IMO. Would have been totally different if HRC had won in 2016, but she didn’t.
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Well, she didn’t have the worst resume, but the oft repeated stuff like “best resume ever” was bullshit. And the current best resume, and stronger than hers was, is Biden. Most important is what she did with her positions and a lot of it was very bad.
Obama, imo, was a very good President, but he fucked up a lot in his first term because he was naive, afraid, and probably a victim of the West Wing mentality. He was better about just about everything in his second term. Unfortunately his opportunity was mostly in his first. And I think picking Hillary, and listening to her, was a very good example of first term Obama. Robert Gates was another big first term Obama mistake. I don’t know what Ray LaHood did, but another Republican in his first term cabinet who was fired. Eric Holder sucked too. Can’t say second term Obama was perfect with his appointments though - James Comey.
I have no strong feelings about HRC one way or the other. She would’ve been a competent and unspectacular Pres.
One thing I noticed itf is that people judge Presidents and Presidential candidates against the metric of an imaginary ideal President, rather than against actual Presidents. So you get absurd statements like Obama was a bad Pres, except, you know, he was better than Trump, Bush II, Bill Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon. Not better than LBJ though - well Vietnam, so maybe better than LBJ.
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They get judged vs Lincoln and fdr basically. And those guys weren’t perfect. I agree with your post.
It’s complicated, because her shtick about having a great resume was entirely predicated on her having political connections that handed her a senate seat and greased the wheels on her journey to become secretary of state. It’s like a legacy Harvard student having a great resume and internships. It’s the fundamental flaw of meritocracy laid bare.
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In this political climate Hilldawg is a lock to have lost in her reelection in 2020 and probably to Trump tbh… I mean who else would it be?
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I’ve talked to some who pay a fair amount of attention, and they all say that it’s a must-win election and he’s the most electable or that in this dire situation we need a steady, experienced hand. I had a frustrating argument with my uncle, who’s very liberal and prefers Warren, but plans to vote for Biden due to electability.
I do take some solace in the gap in polling in Iowa and New Hampshire versus national polls. Biden was way ahead initially, and Warren has closed the gap/pulled ahead. The more exposure voters have had to Biden and Warren, the more ground Warren has gained and Biden has lost. The national electorate will get at least some exposure to both of them during the general election, so I think there’s a strong case to be made that Warren would do better than Biden.
I think Democrats are rallying around Biden because of the Ukraine thing, I think it’s actually boosting him temporarily, and I think that this effect should slowly recede and he’ll likely only get a slight bump from it.
I really don’t give a shit. I just want the candidate who can get the most votes.
Not really. We just need disenfranchised voters of all types, perhaps the liberals who have been disenfranchised, or the minorities who have been disenfranchised (in multiple senses of the world). I’m not really concerned with getting R → D votes, there won’t be many at all and the ones we do get usually aren’t moving right → left, they’re confused Republican votes or racists who are convinced to prioritize their own economic situation.
I’m more concerned with getting non-voters → D votes. It’s done by getting the disenfranchised people who are convinced (correctly) that Hillary was just the status quo, the establishment is corrupt, neither party is looking out for them (true, although one is trying to fuck them way harder than the other), etc… The three who are likely to be the best at this are Bernie, Liz and Yang. I prefer Liz and Bernie. My third choice, Buttigieg, would be more of the traditional play at centrists via messaging, but I’m very unlikely to vote for him in the primary anyway.
Liz has a chance, I think.
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Trump does not run again, opting instead to be on his own racist news network.