People just line up to slobber all over grifters, its incredible.
So weird when that brain worm gets in it doesnât leave. I donât think the UK even has freedom of speech as a right. People around the world watch too much law and order and think every country has the same laws as the US.
The UK Constitution is norms. Parliamentâs word is law. Iâm aware of your disdain for norms, but in that context, itâs normal to assert unwritten rights. Hell, itâs normal to assert unwritten rights in the US, which has a written Constitution and a much stronger system of judicial review than most democracies.
Article 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights protects freedom of expression. This was incorporated into UK law in 1998 with the Human Rights Act. Iâm not entirely about how enforcement differs from the US. The Conservative Party has proposed replacing the HRA with a Bill of Rights.
Canadaâs constitution includes unwritten provisions.
JKR isnât doing that nuanced assessment. She is just an idiot who thinks everyone has a first amendment.
First time itt. Quite disappointed. Given who the last poster was and the title I was hoping for something very different.
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This could go in a couple of places.
Transgender swimmer Lia Thomas lost her challenge against the Court of Arbitration of Sport in Switzerland â the worldâs top court in matters of sporting fairness â to overturn the rules of World Aquatics that prevent transgender women from competing in womenâs divisions. The judge ruled Thomas did not have standing to bring the case.
World Aquatics, which sets rules that inform elite competitions, including the Olympics, introduced a new gender policy in June 2022, allowing transgender women to compete in womenâs events only if they transitioned before the age of 12 or before one of the early stages of puberty. The ruling excludes transgender women who underwent male puberty, like Thomas, from participating in womenâs races.
Thomas began transitioning using hormone replacement therapy in May 2019. She attended the University of Pennsylvania and swam on the menâs team from the 2017-18 to 2019-20 seasons. By 2021, Thomas met the NCAA hormone therapy requirements to swim on Pennâs womenâs team and did so for the 2020-21 and 2021-22 seasons.
Thomas became the first transgender athlete to win an NCAA Division I title when she won the womenâs 500-yard freestyle event in March 2022. She has said she has ambitions to compete in the Olympics.
Is the policy really specific to female swimming and mtf transitioning?
Is there anything now preventing transmen from competing and blowing the women out of the water (figuratively)
Many transmen take testosterone as a major part of their transition. They would need to stop that in order to pass drug tests for elite swimming.
EDIT. If Iâm understanding your question properly
Thats my point, essentially the law is saying âtrans people cannot compete unless they are competing with their biological gender.â If thats the case, transwomen competing with men would have a disadvantage and transmen competing with women would have an advantage. It seems hypocritical to say âtransmen must come off their horomones in order to compete with their biological sexâ but âtranswomen can continute on their hormones and compete with their biological sex.â
Why the two sets of rules? Either you compete with your biological sex regardless of hormone taking or you compete with your transitioned gender. Saying transmen can compete with men AND be allowed to take testosterone whereas transwomen cant compete with women and take estrogen makes no sense.
Ah. I got you.
I donât think they are intending to be fair. Tbh.
With that said. Testosterone gives temporary AND permanent advantages. Which is why folks who take steroids as teenagers before entering into a full testing regime almost certainly have major advantages over folks whoâve been drug free for their whole life.
I mean. There are good faith challenges at the elite level of sport. The problem has always been that those are rare and drowning in bad faith bullshit that hurts trans kids.
The more I think about this, this needs to be legislated at a societal level rather than left to individual sports prioritising elite level athletes.
The benifits of trans inclusion in sport at youth and non-elite levels are so huge, that they should outweigh everything else. Then at the elite level, you could have some rough frameworks around non discrimination and evidence based policy that the sport governing bodies work within.
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This is exactly what the Rs want us to be talking about. Not the inherent decency of living oneâs life, but look at all the poor girls who are going to get screwed out of the sports spot.
I sure donât know the answer on the sports question. Itâs clear that hormones esp testosterone impact performance. But the topic itself is a misdirect used to vilify.
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Iâm late to the party, but basically no one transitions because they âwantâ to do so. Saying that is as silly as saying why someone would choose to be gay. It doesnât work that way. This is why we refer to proper medical care as gender affirming.
Some in the trans community like me have also stopped using terms like âbiological sexâ and âmale puberty.â There are people who have had lots of testosterone or lots of estrogen. Some have had both! Calling it male or female puberty ignores the lived hormonal reality of anyone who goes through puberty and inadvertently erases intersex people, some of who may also be trans.
I have updated my language in part due to broadening my understanding of what it means to be intersex, and why so many trans people are welcome under the intersex umbrella. Thatâs using the broadest definition of intersex, which just refers to any normal variation in a personâs sex characteristics.
The horror for intersex people is how often their gender is decided for them as babies through the very practices and surgeries that are being denied consenting trans people.
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Iâve never seen a scientist or doctor use the term âbiological male/femaleâ and 99% of the time itâs used by people trying to denigrate trans people.
Seems to me the brain is part of oneâs biological makeup. If oneâs brain is sending messages about gender such that one would seek out a transition, that strikes me as plenty âbiologicalâ.
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Yes. Iâd go further and say itâs the personâs entire body telling them what it all adds up to. We are awful at guessing what a personâs gender should be. The sensible thing is to listen to the person who is inside their body. And ffs to wait until the person can speak for themselves. The things done to poor intersex people are awful.
Thereâs also a famous case of David Reimer, in which a poor child survived a botched circumcision and was raised as a girl. His case was used to prove that a personâs gender can be chosen if theyâre raised as one vs another, but then it came out that all of the findings were absolute bullshit and David was miserable his entire life until he was able to pursue gender affirming care to live as a man. Unfortunately the trauma was too much, and David (and his brother) eventually took their lives.
I think my first exposure to Jordan Peterson involved him telling that story. I donât recall the exact context of what point he was making but I remember being pretty infuriated that his takeaway was something other than âso no shit we should take trans people at their word when they talk about their genderâ.
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