Can someone explain the reasoning behind how this will lead to the resurgence of ISIS?
Aside from the 10000 ISIS prisoners who will likely be freed, the SDF was the group actually defeating ISIS and no one else in the region, including Turkey, is really capable of that.
Turkey can destroy cities, but not jihadism. The SDF was part of the society, has local support, and can far more effectively deal with terrorist groups. They have little defense against bombers and not much against tanks though.
And more war and destruction will breed more radicalism and terrorism.
The reasoning?
Trump wants his money from his property in Istanbul.
Erdogan is fighting inside Turkey as well and there are people going back and forth. He may also want to send millions of Syrians back and thinks this helps make that happen. Maybe it does.
It does seem odd that Kurds can defeat ISIS but Turkey doesnāt have the means to defeat ISIS yet Turkey is wiping out ISIS
Is there any possible explanation other than:
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Putin owns Trump
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Trump gets money from Turkey real estate
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Fuck Tulsi
You mean the Northern Syrians (theyāre not all Kurds), right?
Itās like how we could defeat Saddam Hussein in a few weeks, the official Taliban govt in literally a few hours, and really canāt āwinā ever. Also Turkey can destroy the SDF in Syria, but canāt really beat the PKK inside Turkey.
Are the Kurds and Israelis the only Middle Eastern peoples on whose behalf you guys advocate US military intervention?
Who are you talking to and on which side do you think they advocate intervention in Israel?
Everyone in this thread or who happens into the thread.
and iād considered that might be an omission Iād have to clarify.
but the US is never intervening in any real way against Israel in favor of the Palestinians.
I posed the question because it seems quite the coincidence weāre all justifying further entanglement, after just last week revisiting our advance objections to the Iraqi wars.
I donāt want a history lesson or nuance, I honestly wonder if those 2 peoples are our legit only middle eastern allies in a moral sense.
so let me get this straight congress with this news they are upset over are gonna pass a ban on military buying from turkey that is controlled by the executive branch to not do business with turkey and sanctions that are again controlled by the executive branch while still nobody thought to move of all those nukes we have in turkey.
Do you know the difference between intervention and leaving a few hundred troops in place who were not fighting, but serving as a peacekeeping force?
No one has suggested that the intervention, like the bombing of Raqqa, was something that the US should be doing.
And, Israel is not militarily engaged in a moral cause.
And preventing an invasion from Turkey is not anything like assisting in the occupation of Gaza and the WB.
If you canāt tell the difference between an intelligent moral foreign policy vs. isolationism vs. imperialism vs. regime change then thatās on you.
right
someoneās feeling a bit defensive just one week removed from sharing their anti-war bona fides.
Iām not saying we shouldnāt move the nukes, because we should as part of an intelligent nuclear disarmament, but of all the āthis is what Putin wantsā thingsā¦this is what Putin wants.
Again, if you canāt tell the difference and understand that this movement of troops, the one that is immediately leading to war is not anti-war, then thatās on you. Iām not anti-war because Iām some America Firster who just thinks we have no business being involved in the world. Iām anti-war because I donāt want innocent people getting murdered, which is what this is already leading to.
I simply asked if there were 2 allies in that region that warrant our unconditional help, and you couldnāt answer.
Scheme like Kissinger thread title change asap
Iām anti intervention in general, but when youāve made agreements with international partners you should stick to them imo. I mean itās not like we were in the middle of an invasion that he called off. We were the only thing between them and complete annihilation and we chose the latter
Iād much prefer just letting them relocate here to like Wyoming or their choice of Dakotas en masse if thatās what it takes to keep them alive but I donāt get to choose that option.
We should have carved out Kurdistan when we had the chance but that ship has also sailed
First lol. Youāre playing games. You didnāt simply ask something.
No one deserves unconditional help. Thatās not what a small peacekeeping force is. And literally no one on this forum is a hawk for Israel and you know that so your question was disingenuous bullshit.