Ukraine, Russia, and the West

well maybe it did. or maybe it didn’t. this morning reuters is disputing earlier reports. seems weird that they wouldn’t file, but maybe someone high enough realized that it looks really bad? /shrug

Marksman · March 4, 2022, 4:03pm

Such a horrible take. This invasion was planned and scheduled well in advance. No assurances would have changed anything. Putin has wanted to do this since 2014.

VoteForSocialists · March 4, 2022, 4:03pm

i think that’s a byraktar video, which has lazer guided munitions.

Riverman · March 4, 2022, 4:08pm

@Chuckleslovakian

Move, man

https://twitter.com/mkt_sentiment/status/1499585220001304576?s=21

Trolly · March 4, 2022, 4:09pm

Russian stock market still closed. Don’t think Putin really anticipated the economic backlash from the West that’s coming.

Huehuecoyotl · March 4, 2022, 4:09pm

https://twitter.com/markhachman/status/1499617782299643907

I do wonder if anyone will do some harder analysis on relative popularity before/after the war. It’d be interesting to see how much really is bot nets or whatever if there’s a way to sus that out.

anon10396289 · March 4, 2022, 4:10pm

Yes, you’ve made this zero content smear numerous times without getting into specifics.

Riverman · March 4, 2022, 4:12pm

He did this twice before and got away with it. I think he just drastically underestimated how much more we would care when the victims are highly sympathetic white people.

Trolly · March 4, 2022, 4:13pm

China is basically going to own Russia when this is over, what a historically epic failure.

Melkerson · March 4, 2022, 4:13pm

goofyballer:

Ukraine's Refugees of Color Are Facing Racism, Violence | Time

For Grace Kass, Ukraine was home. Sure, it could be unwelcoming for a Black woman, and she would never get used to its bitterly cold winters, but it’s where she had lived for the past seven years. The 24-year-old, from the Democratic Republic of Congo, had come to Ukraine’s second-largest city of Kharkiv as an engineering student and stayed on, forging a successful career as a make-up artist.
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She made it out just in time: a day after leaving Kharkiv in northeastern Ukraine, the city was bombarded with Russian rockets that killed dozens of civilians. But when Kass reached Lviv in Ukraine’s west near Poland, joining the heaving crowds desperately trying to board trains for safety, she says she encountered hostility from the Ukrainian military, who were dividing people into two groups: those who were white, and those who were not.

“We entered the train last,” Kass says, describing how she and other African women were forced to wait outside as snow was falling, while white women and children were allowed to board before them. She believes her gender is the only reason she was spared being beaten. Groups of Nepalese, Indian and Somalian men described to TIME how they were kicked and beaten with batons by Ukrainian guards who later begrudgingly allowed them to cross over, on foot.

Later, when Kass’s train stopped for 17 hours at the Polish border, she says Ukrainian train guards gave out bread and sausages to passengers. But they passed by Kass and her African friends. “By the time it was our turn, they threw us the ends of stale bread,” she says. After spending more than a third of her life in Ukraine, she felt let down. “It was a traumatic experience."

Stuff like this might actually make the MAGA folk genuinely upset that Putin is invading Ukraine.

VoteForSocialists · March 4, 2022, 4:16pm

read the specifics up thread

anon10396289 · March 4, 2022, 4:17pm

Again, you never got into specifics. I’ve read the whole thread.