The whole russia threatened by NATO thing has a lot resonance to “states rights” causing the civil war. A state’s right to do what? What would NATO interfere with? Mainly Russia’s right to impose its will on neighboring states and limit their self-determination.
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OK, I’ll re-ask the question for you: how many territories is Russia allowed to seize before anyone does anything about it, then? Because “not wanting to upset a nuclear power” is justification for just ceding worldwide control of everything to Putin.
The only way that could possibly be true is if their leadership is insane or lying to their population… which isn’t our problem and in fact makes a strong NATO even more important.
And those will be the stakes when the new USSR invades Estonia. And Poland. And East Germany. Can’t risk nuclear war.
Have you never had to deal with a bully. They will never stop until you punch back. That’s literally the only thing that ever stops them.
Russia doesn’t agree with you, and that’s the operative decision maker. Nato was and always has been aimed at Russia. The Kremlin is an ugly police state, but we don’t have the power to make it a just world without risking Armageddon.
Russian and US forces take out Antifa, MS13 & Corruption in Ukraine in joint maneuver.
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If the Ukraine 2022 war isn’t obvious to people why NATO membership is necessary.
Russia fed a huge line of bullshit about NATO aggression and at the end of the day Putin wanted more land for himself.
Again, bullshit. Putin made it quite clear what his problem with NATO was: NATO stood in the way of him re-instating the USSR. He was decidedly not worried about NATO taking Moscow.
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he def is worried about being assassinated tho
he really should be thinking that nato expansion is a pretense to invade though, what we do is spend years to gin up someone as bad guys then we drum up sone bullshit war and we had just done the former to russia
true or not who knows but I can see why crazy paranoid guy could think that
but he’s also crazy in that he thinks the empire should be restored so here we are
No one here is defending the US. It has nothing to do with what Ukraine faces right now. The worst kind of whataboutism.
You could take the US completely out of the equation. And we probably shouldn’t be leading anything. Whatever happens should be up to the NATO countries in Europe, who have the most at stake and still have living memory of WWII and Soviet atrocities.
Fuck this hideous bastard. Starts off by denying they’re shelling, then gets baited into the following exchange:
Frei: “Do the sins of the Americans justify the sins of the Russians committed today?”
Suslov:“Yes they do, of course they do because great powers behave as great powers”
This is the photographic journey to the hospital of the dead six year old child referenced in that discussion. It is harrowing to look at (use your discretion):
Don’t just show it to Putin though, show it to any fucker who decides he has to start a war.
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I’m only a traitor at my day job!
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If you are arguing from the point of view of what would be right and just, you are correct. But if you are looking at real world ramifications, you have to consider the course of actions of a nuclear power. If you are going to expand Nato to Russia’s border, you will be looking at a new Cuban missile crisis every month.
Yeah. I just think that it’s not as simple as autocrats hating democracies. I’m sure many like them if they think (in their minds) it could weaken that countries military/political strength in the region. Not saying democracies do that or that it’s bad. No countries should harbour imperialist ambitions. Ever.
You are a dilettante, thoroughly unfamiliar with decades of analysis and debate. Read the article I posted.
Well that’s weird, NATO has been at USSR’s border from it’s inception in 1949 to 1991 with Norway and Turkey, and at Russia’s border since 2004 in Eastern Europe
edit: oh shit forgot about that stupid exclave, Poland makes the list too
LOOOOOOOOOOOL irony.
If sharing a border with a NATO country is literally so dangerous to Russia, annexing Ukraine seems awfully counterproductive! It’s almost like that claim is bullshit.
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You say Moscow, I say Mockba.
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