Ukraine, Russia, and the West

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I feel like the world is trying to have a garden party and Russia keeps showing up drunk, blasting heavy metal, and assaulting the guests. We can’t just throw Russia out because nukes, but allowing it to show its true colors has been useful. Nato expansion was a step in the right direction. If that leads Putin to start a nuclear way, that’s on him. In the real world, most people know when they have lost. Perhaps the arch similarity between Trump and Putin is they never admit when they’ve lost.

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Yes and a few of the party members are still blaming themselves for his behavior. If only they’d loved him more.

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This guy’s YT is absolutely fascinating

NATO isn’t an economic alliance. Russia could easily have had Ukraine under its sphere of influence if they had made it appealing to do so.

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Not out of the blue in 2022, but that’s your frame of reference, not the Kremlin’s. There is a straight line of fear of Nato going back to its formation. Read the article I posted.

The business about rebuilding the Russian empire is a much newer take than Nato, which has been a constant part of discussion for decades.

lol did this guy sneak into Ukraine just so he could escape? i have seen his videos in Mexico where he goes down dirt roads and finds very obvious cartel compounds.

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I don’t think NATO or the West should make it’s moves in acquiescence to Putin’s irrational fears. And I’m 100% convinced that expanding NATO wouldn’t have prevented this. That’s some stale propaganda.

Ukraine as a functioning democracy is what triggered this. Autocrats and democracies don’t get along.

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Whatever the Kremlin thinks, Ukraine should have the right to join a defensive alliance or economic union. Especially if it has recently had territory annexed and has separatists creating internal conflicts. The Kremlin anyway ensured Ukrainian politics reorienting westward when it annexed the most Russian leaning part of it’s population. Like if Canada annexed California USA would of course be more likely to vote in Republican presidents basically forever.

Chalk me up to this war and taking of the whole country as being Putin’s plan since before 2014. The whole NATO made me do it thing is just messaging.

Why do you think President George H.W. Bush back in 1991 (1990?) promised not to expand Nato beyond East Germany? It was to avoid a backlash from a nuclear power. Reagan/Bush were much wiser about this than subsequent presidents. Of course Russia is threatened by Nato. That’s as basic as the spelling of Moscow.

i was probably a bit too tilted two days ago when i advocated for no-fly zone and simultaneous nuclear sites neutralization, but this is exactly what i meant. we are already in a street fight with putin.

The point here isn’t whether or not Russia is threatened by NATO. I just don’t give a fucking shit about how NATO threatens their imperial goals of subjugation of independent countries. That’s 100% on them, and not the other way around.

Russia absolutely is not threatened by the prospect of offensive NATO action. That’s 100% bullshit.

Yes, that’s what would be right and just. And the U.S. should give back the northern half of Mexico that we seized in 1848. But would Russia be wise to arm Mexico to that end?

Do you want a nuclear war to get Ukraine into Nato? Those are the stakes. Ugly, but reality.

As an American, I would be happily willing to trade nukes in Belarus and Cuba under Russian control for an immediate end to this war and Ukraine in NATO/EU. It would be politically unpopular here because it’s asking Americans to give up something to help someone else and you know how our countrymen feel about that. Would probably ensure a Republican landslide next election if it was even proposed, but would absolutely be the more moral choice than any outcome that seems possible now.

Oh now we’re going to whatabout Mexico. Ok comrade.

FWIW the USA was terrible with Mexico. But that has nothing to do with invading a democratic sovereign nation in 2022.

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Putin probably isn’t. Don’t think you can draw that point to the entirety of the Russian people/high command. Also can NATO take offensive action (not responsive action I guess)?

But in this case “threatened by NATO” means that they don’t like the idea that they can’t slap around and abuse eastern Euro countries however they please without repercussions.

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