Ukraine, Russia, and the West

Trump would probably handle it similar to Orban: vaguely on Ukraine side, but no lethal assistance.

I agree with this. It seems like if NATO is going to do a no-fly zone they might as well just take the element of surprise and wipe out Putin’s ground forces in Ukraine. Either one is a declaration of war.

I do think there could be some scenarios where say only Poland comes in to help. They have a lot more at stake than the US. But then Russia attacks Poland and I assume(?) that has to trigger an instant attack from NATO?

also we should be doing this with mexico

Rambling incoherent press conferences accompanied by a mix of complicit assholes and embarrassed technocrats. No recognizable policy. Lots of confusion about what America’s position is. More focus on placing blame than proposing, let alone implementing, solutions.

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And secretly doing everything he could to throw sand in the allies’ response.

He would just do exactly what he did with COVID - make absolutely everything about himself and fuck up the policy response in every way possible.

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I’m listening to the live feed again. All still quiet in Kyiv.

he’s just waving his gun in the camera and says he wishes the propagandists try to come even close to kyiv.

incorrect

https://grip.inetintel.cc.gatech.edu/events/moas/moas-1646067600-197726_210512

This is Russia trying to take Ukraine offline by advertising themselves as providing the best BGP routes to Ukranian IPs.

https://twitter.com/cjcmichel/status/1498381374801252363

Pikachu shocked

Once again Gretzky didn’t miss a shot he took.

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https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1498369503511646210?s=20&t=MwUJ7TgnupbPUrj0iRIX6Q

If all those molotov cocktails we saw being made end up actually being thrown at Russian forces then there is no way they can take Kyiv without flattening it first.

Well, if you take Putin’s speech at face value. But the strategic challenge Russia has been grappling with for 30 years is the expansion of Nato. This has been much commented on by foreign policy geeks for some time.

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/02/15/the-origins-of-the-ukraine-crisis-and-how-conflict-can-be-avoided/

-51% for the month

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The only “strategic challenge” NATO expansion poses to Russia is to make it more difficult to recreate the Russian empire.

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FYP

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Foreign policy geeks have been spectacularly wrong about a lot of this, including generally erring on the side of appeasing Putin.

Give me one reason why Russia should fear NATO other than blocking Putin’s expansion plans? No one seriously thinks NATO is going to invade or attack Russia. Literally two of the biggest military blunders in the history of civilization involve invading Russia. And anyone who’s ever played Risk knows you can’t hold it.

Putin takes Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, then declares the NATO expansion illegal and goes after Estonia. The same people would be saying just give him the NATO expansion countries because we can’t risk nuclear war. Appeasement all the way until the USSR is restored, and then who knows. By that time China would probably be allying with him to get what they want.

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1498369307960655876

There is literally no point in listening to anything Russia or Putin says. It drives me insane news outlets continue to uncritically repeat whatever they say.

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