Well this happened on a Wednesday, did it not? And we all know that Wednesday is proverbially known as hump day, right?
Follow the breadcrumbs…
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Yeah, Joe and Mika would have Trump on all the time to shoot the shit for eyeballs ala Fox and Friends, and then like a month before the 2016 election they were like… um you guys do know this guy is crazy and it’s a horrible idea to elect him President… right?
OK after reading further I think my original comment was wrong, I don’t think I realized how significant it was that the first person in the breach was shot and it slowed the assault significantly. Most of what I saw was a bunch of photos of dumbasses wandering around an empty Capitol building but I see now how it could’ve been a lot worse.
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IIRC their criticism of Trump was pretty mild until Trump went ham on Mika.
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The cops could have easily defended using their guns on anyone breaching the building. They have no idea which protesters are armed or what their intentions are. Instead no one fired until they were in the place of last retreat with active congress members inside. And it seems like that was the Secret Service that fired.
BLM storming the capitol gets shot with the first broken window, if not sooner.
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There were several dozen cops up on the balconies at multiple levels that would have been gunning down the crowd if that was BLM. The street level cops could have just retreated back into the building and still not a window gets broken.
Don’t even need to shoot that many people. Open fire on the crowd when the breach the capitol and they all run away.
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Scrolling Twitter and happened to see a shitlib dunking on Greedy Glenn with receipts for making fun of “media hysteria over teh coup” these past few months.
Perfectly explains this thread…
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Posted in main Trump thread but…
One NATO source set the stage… “Today I am briefing my government that we believe with a reasonable level of certainty that Donald Trump attempted a coup that failed when the system did not buckle.
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Do you accept the following basic facts (reported by multiple news organizations):
- Trump yesterday morning exorted his Vice President to unilaterally declare him the winner of the election despite losing, in a joint session of congress; and
- At the same time exorted his 30,000 or so armed supporters to march on said capital while, in theory, his vice president was unilaterally declaring him the newly elected president?
If you accept those two things as true, under what definition of “trying to seize power,” was this not “trying to seize power?” And finally, if this was still not “trying to seize power” in your world, what would Trump needed to have actually done to cross the rubicon?
Regards,
–jman220
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Ooh, an invitation for Keeeeeed to engage in semantics. This will surely vanquish him.
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Yes
I think Trump didn’t do these things with the intent of retaining power. He didn’t think they had any chance of working and took those actions to manufacture grievance with the Republican establishment and generate drama. And to save face with his true believers, he couldn’t just back off after months of making the false claim that the election was stolen. So he played out this kayfabe. What would he have had to do to actually try to seize power? He’d have to try to seize power. Take actions that aren’t kayfabe in his mind.
None of which excuses or mitigates anything Trump did. If anything, the alternative explanation is kinder to Trump: he was deluded enough to think that this nonsense actually had a chance of working, or that he actually won the election. A delusional Trump is less culpable for inciting a deadly, seditious riot than a cynical Trump who did so for purely cynical political purposes.
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Dude he ranted about bullshit election conspiracies in complete sincerity for like an hour on a private phone call to other Republican officials a few days ago. I don’t see how you can claim this is just kayfabe and he doesn’t legit believe he won the election. It’s at odds with known facts, he’s behaving like he believes it in private settings where there’s no call for kayfabe.
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The things with Pence and Raffensburg cleary rule out that it was just all for show.
He would certainly know that there would be news stories published about his contentious conversation with the Georgia people.
OP Goat. but yeah, no, this thread title did not age well.
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He was fucking pissed and wanted people charged for it.
Xposting from teh book thread but it’s so delicious LOL
Now he is ranting about freedom of speech, etc etc
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If this kayfabe act where he pretends to engineer a coup is kept up 24 hours a day, even in private conversations, then it’s hard to see what distinguishes this from actually trying to engineer a coup. I mean CNN is reporting this, from “a source close to the Vice President”:
On Tuesday, Pence came under intense pressure from Trump to toss out the election results during a meeting that lasted hours in the Oval Office. The vice president’s chief of staff, Marc Short, was banned by Trump from entering the West Wing, the source said, as the President repeatedly warned with “thinly veiled threats” to Pence that he would suffer major political consequences if he refused to cooperate.
“The message was pretty clear,” the source said.
If the VP responds to this pressure with “OK, I’ll do my best to overturn the election” then why should I care whether this attempt from Trump is genuine or part of “kayfabe” that he’s supposedly keeping up from dawn until dusk?
If your criterion for trying to foment a coup is “action has to have good chances of success” then it’s impossible for anything to qualify because there’s no widespread support in the ruling class for a Trump coup. If he ordered the military into DC, for example, they’d tell him to go fuck himself. Can you suggest an action he could have taken that would qualify as a genuine attempt at a coup in your opinion?
Note: Using “coup” here as shorthand for “illegitimate seizure of power by whatever means” in case we get back into aids-ridden pedantry about the meaning of the word.
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