Kind of what we discussed about moving away from twitter, I don’t think not shopping at amazons is changing the world.
Just trying to make better decisions overall
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It is tilting that the right wing is so much more effective at direct consumer action than the left.
Their boycotts of Target and Bud Light have been wildly effective. The right wingers understand (after failing to boycott the NFL) that the best targets are highly-visible, non-differentiated, easily-substituted branded products, the avoidance of which can become a shibboleth. The best transgressions to punish are the minor ones, with extremely disproportionate hatred and impact on the brand. The goal isn’t to promote an achievable goal or punish the worst offenders, but to cause all companies to live in fear of transgressing, and create a cooling effect on any behavior that might attract attention.
Yet another area where being on the side of bad faith and nihilism is just an insurmountable advantage. I truly don’t see how we beat these people.
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Skipping ahead a few posts but regulations are how governments have attempted to deal with evil corporations. The fact that corporate media and political ghouls have convinced people that regulations are bad plus Trump means we are likely in for an even worse corporate hellscape than we currently have.
Not sure any of us can do anything about that now(the time for fighting was years ago) so might as well sit back and enjoy the show imo.
I didn’t say you. Probably the most insane reactions were from ■■■■■■■■■■■, but you did participate in the thread. Here’s the first post I found from you (who knows what posts were deleted).
Sabo wasn’t trying to bait posters in the thread and 100% intended to have a good faith discussion. You were part of, well, as they say, the othering, and drumming him off the forum - which was a big part of the origin story of how this forum split up. It was the Sabo ban which caused the PM thread to become what it did.
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I’ll add about this, that, luckily, Sabo is very thick skinned and I don’t think he could give a fuck about all of that, but it all served as politicking and drumming up support for his ban. One thing this site was great at, which it inherited from 2p2 pol, is picking out one or two people for everyone to despise and continually dogpiling on them.
Right now that person is probably Iron, and you should check out how you post about him.
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No one who boycotts ever says you shouldn’t have regulations or hold companies accountable. What really happens is some people boycott and they usually also try to find ways to hold companies accountable and then some other people, who can’t be bothered to change their consumption the tiniest bit, tell whoever boycotts that they are doing evil propaganda.
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My bad. Guess I’m not creative enough to come up with two word gems like “fuck off” as content worthy posting
No one is disagreeing that Amazon is an evil conglomerate that represents the epitome of everything wrong with capitalism. If you want to better understand my position, try re-reading your own damn posts! Amazon gamed the system using anti competitive practices, etc., etc. The key word being the system. It’s the system that allows it. You’re not going to heroically change the system because you got in your car and drove to a local grocery store (or lol Walmart ) to buy paper towels while someone else stayed home and used Amazon
You don’t seem to know how ridiculously huge Amazon actually is. Just their web services division has over twice the cloud computing capacity of Google. If you use the internet you’re probably contributing to Amazon
It’s just lol thinking that purchasing your meat thermometer somewhere else will put a dent in their quest to rule the world. It’s commendable to take a principled stance, but you’re fighting the wrong enemy. It’s the system that allows an Amazon to exist that needs to be torn down
Hey, I’m still up 5 figures from the zero consequences crowd. I’ll take it
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We should all be depressed about all of this
Me. I just turn it off. It’s a cute little TheHip trick
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I think that’s mostly true, but as Cicero maybe sorta said, doing right is its own reward.
Nothing in this post was exclusive to anything I posted.
Just more useless drivel from the master of saying nothing.
Inner peace comes from the decisions we make, not just the outcomes.
Outside of more cliche straw men, of course you won’t address the fact that they destroy product.
My original point was regarding the USPS.
And yes, fuck off is appropriate for your posts.
Ah gotcha. You’re all about feels! The same useless crowd that does nothing but lose us elections. You should’ve said so up front so people don’t waste their time with you thinking you actually care about enacting positive change
“You just don’t understand how vast Amazon is”
Lmao.
When you attempt to dumb someone down with asinine statements like this just to score points, it’s time to admit you don’t know that the fuck you are talking about.
I’m sure the next time Bernie calls for an investigation into workplace conditions you will jump in with the same level of zeal.
I disagree with this statement. Lots of people say we shouldn’t regulate businesses and that instead the markets should decide. It’s been a major argument for the right and libertarians for most of my lifetime.
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This doesn’t describe anyone who is saying you shouldn’t buy anything at Amazon for sure and it really doesn’t describe anyone who says don’t buy Bud Light either because they are all more than happy to regulate against what they don’t want. You’re describing maybe some libertarians who have never asked anyone to boycott anything ever.
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It describes most of the Republican establishment. They are ok with people buying stuff at Amazon, they barely even recognize climate change is happening, but when people rightly point out that the best way to deal with large-scale environmental issues is by regulating the handful of companies that are involved rather than expecting millions of consumers to change their behavior, the Republicans all say it should be left up to the markets.
You are missing the part where I reached out and asked him to join me in a thread to fix things. Did so leading the effort. Tried to reason with him many times. Reached out to others including you and it all failed to get him to act in a non trolling manner.
It’s simply crazy to suggest I drummed him out. I put in more effort with him than I have with any other poster I’ve interacted with in 30 years of being online.
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Kettle is black dude. Cactus says hi.
What do you mean by kettle being black. I think I’ve shown Cactus as much or more respect than anyone on this forum. I defended him back when everyone was shitting on him.
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