I’ve seen the study referenced in a couple of books on exercise. I suspect the results have been replicated/expanded, because it’s a pretty surprising result. One area where this stuff comes up is natural vs “enhanced” powerlifting/bodybuilding, where the universal understanding is that “enhanced” is a different world in terms of what can be done “naturally” for strength/musculature.
edit: the paper has been cited 1150 times, so there’s probably lots of subsequent work.
Yeah, that’s totally different. Both of those groups are training hard AF.
If you think you can just shoot up T, chill on the couch, and turn in to peak Arnold Schwarzenegger, that’s not going to happen.
No one is arguing that you won’t build more muscle with T than without, which is the most useful conclusion from that study and the likely reason it was cited so many times.
lol pretty hilarious to step into the way back machine and see a full-throated and faithful reenactment of every other old fashioned bigoted notion that has been discarded in the garbage can of history
I like the sentiment but I’m over trying to teach adults the simple moral lesson that hating powerless people for how they were born is wrong.
At some point you simply have to accept their hatred is a moral choice. We are long past being able to give them the benefit of the doubt for not knowing aren’t we? I mean simplicius is bringing up points already clearly explained not 50 posts earlier a couple hours ago. He is obviously trying to be ignorant.
Altho I guess we’re willing to give them trans people 90% of what everyone else enjoys, which I think takes that whole 3/5 thing and adjusts it for inflation.
Ya dude is literally using 3/5ths arguments in 2024.
Trying to apply “science” and “studies” to defend your bigotry is fucked considering it’s the exact playbook from every other historical form of bigotry.
Just let people be who they want to be. Complications for sportsball are literally meaningless compared to the other consequences.
One of the reasons I’ve posted is just to remind people that what their own bubble believes is not universally, or even commonly, accepted. You guys all have the standard talk down, but to me it just seems like a groupthink bubble, and you consider it rude or inappropriate to challenge your carefully cultivated conclusions. As I’ve posted before, I suspect “gender” is not even a natural psychological category, where the claim, “I am actually a man” or “I am actually a woman” makes sense. Rather, transgenderism strikes me as someone deciding they find it more natural to conform to the cultural construction of one gender over the other. (I could be wrong about this, but it’s at least an idea.) If I cared about the topic more than I do, I would read some philosophy books on it–it’s been a hot topic over the last 20 years. Again, I could be entirely wrong, but the highschool level groupthink and insults that pervades these discussions is not the way to victory for any robust version of transgenderism.
Ahh yes the old well “I’m a bigot because most other people are” trope.
Incredible.
When everyone thinks your backward self-admittedly poorly researched and considered position is bigoted trash, it’s probably just groupthink.
Feel free to make an argument or cite a source instead of engaging in the type of superficial name-calling that I’ve noted.
feel free to not be a huge piece of shit
It isn’t superficial. You are a bigot and should assess your life and worldview.
A brief look into three intersex people, one of whom is indistinguishable from a cis woman despite being born with testicles (and no uterus/ovaries).
So should all sports be “open enrollment” based on identity? Answer the question.
post deleted
So should trans people just shut the fuck up and be happy you let them do 90% of the things that real people can do? Answer the question.
This is what we do in 2024, we ask the real hard hitting, tight fitting questions on this left-leaning forum.
I mean I literally just spent the weekend in Madison Wisconsin(one of the biggest clubs in the country) at a curling tournament with a couple hundred people of all genders, ages, experience levels, orientations, etc.
There were olympians in the field. Several of them. Should they be excluded becuase its unfair? Why is the trans issue the issue you want to draw the line over? Why not other factors that affect performance? Do you not see how transparently bigoted that is?
Also who fucking cares its sportsball lol. Trans people have it hard enough. This is a total non issue and the idea you care about youth or women’s sports is totally laughable.
