Trans Issues In Sports/Society

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Intersex people alone are as common as natural redheads.

I can see we might be too far apart to really reach any agreement.

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I am genuinely baffled people still exist, including some who can post here for Christ sake, who can’t understand the simple moral idea that it is always without exception wrong to deny a class of people rights for simply existing how they were born.

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I would say this, I know that, eg, if a sedentary man takes TRT they will gain more muscle than a comparable guy who works out five days a week. You guys keep fighting the good fight, and maybe eventually you will win, but you will lose if there are people who look and perform like men competing against women. That is a losing position now and it will be a losing position in 100 years.

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By the way, this is a fucking dodge. Why are WE considered the ones dying on the hill and not the ones who are trying to bar people from playing high school sports?

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cite?

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https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101#:~:text=The%20men%20treated%20with%20testosterone,greater%20(averaging%206.1%20kg).

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Who gets to determine this? Are you now saying that butch women cant compete in sports? Because “women who look and perform like men” sure as shit sounds like thats what youre saying.

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How about we let the NCAA, et al. make their own rules and the government stay out of it?

Make all bathrooms unisex.

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Unless you want to make it “open enrollment” in gendered sports, it is up to you and not me to determine the result in edge cases. If you do want it to be “open enrollment,” then you are the one who has to deal with the social consequences, which I predict would be negative for trans people.

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How about the party challenging the gender of someone in sport has to pay for any test and compensate the athlete for their time if the challenge is unsuccessful?

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You are just being openly hateful and wilfully ignorant. Period.

The obvious issue with testing has already been pointed out not 50 posts up a few hours ago.

You are not trying to learn or understand.

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Insanely gross posting from a few here. Imagine thinking simplicitus really cares about the sanctity of lol youth sports vs. just being a giant bigot.

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It’s a strawman.

ETA: And thinking about it more, having “people who look and perform like men compete against women” seems to be what the “biological testing” side is arguing for.

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And you’re just an ignorant asshole, tomato/tomato.

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I think it’s very safe to say you don’t know (and likely don’t care) what the consequences will be for trans people. At least just be honest about your position, you are willing to sacrifice trans people for the sake of Dems electoral chances.

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Can’t let blacks play basketball guys. They might have an advantage.

Yes your points are that dumb JFC

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You thinking I’m the asshole here is as good a verification of my moral compass as I could ask for.

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Thanks. I’ve seen that study, but it’s been a while. There are some problems with the conclusions as you have stated them.

  1. It’s not 5 times a week like you said, the study was 3x/week. 5x/week is quite intense.

  2. It not clear what they did to ensure compliance with non-exercise. It sounds like it was just honor system. These were also younger men who had experience with strength training and were presumably active. It’s not clear to me that they truly did “zero” exercise. The result is especially weird since they found no statistically significant reduction in strength after 10 wks in the no exercise placebo group.

That’s pretty weird, imo. Especially if they did have some lifting experience, even if as per the inclusion criteria they did not participate in competitive sports. I don’t compete in competitive sports either, but if I didn’t lift for 10 wks, I’d be Clovis’s net worth that my squat and bench would go down. I’m sure yours would too.

  1. Even according to the graphs you posted, it showed that squat and bench went up more in the exercise + placebo group than it did in the T + no exercise group. It’s hard (but not impossible) to reconcile that with having more muscle.

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I want to clarify something said earlier. When I said “reach their hearts,” I wasn’t talking about extremists. I"m talking about the centrists. In my mind, these people are directly connected to trans and nonbinary people, even if they don’t know it, because both groups are connectors.

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