I’m not sure what you mean by “take the L”. Pretty sure you have to formulate a reasoned argument to claim a W. You are seriously just repeating Republican talking points and calling it a day. The exact case is indeed “problematic”. But problems demand solutions. Where are your solutions?
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Thanks, I’m trying to figure this out. I think my broader point is: this should be dealt with nuance, rules, and a reliance on facts, data, and reason. Not instinctively buying into “this feels wrong, so it’s wrong!” narratives.
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Talking points? This shit actually happened dude. I get you don’t like that. But believe me, ignoring reality and screaming that people who simply saw what occurred are intolerant assholes is not a winning strategy on any level.
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I think you’d mostly be correct that this is all just a bunch of thick-headed old fashioned bigotry from folks that that need to catch up - or just are just looking for reasons to expel some transphobia. But I’d be curious to know your own opinion on whether you believe the statue que worked in this particular situation regardless of the entire issue at large - and if you think it’s an issue worth addressing?
Well, if there is one place where we don’t tolerate even the appearance of impropriety, it’s in NCAA athletics.
I acknowledge that it happened.
What.
Are.
Your.
Proposed.
Solutions.
Just saying “it’s complicated” is completely useless.
Which one is most correct in the event a case like this again goes to court?
A) A trans-gendered female judge should recuse
B) A cis woman judge should recuse
C) A cis male judge should recuse
D) The gender status of the judge is irrelevant, and none should recuse
Calmly explaining the how the sexualization of asian women is racist and harmful is probably the best way to change hearts and minds, and I’ve taken that path plenty of times.
Someone shouts “love you long time” at my wife, and they are gonna get a punch in the face. Is that wrong?
I dont know which type of response is best in the context of this thread, but given trans people read this thread, I’m not going to going to feel particularly bad about being overly combative.
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100% agree and also happy to admit I had it wrong about the IOC based on this quote I just read:
The International Olympic Committee announced Tuesday that their 17-year-old policy on transgender and non-binary participation will end effective March 2022, leaving individual sports to determine their own policies.
So they did have a policy, but now it is up to individual sport bodies to determine based on the framework. My initial searches just turned up the latest framework and I didn’t dig further. 
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Yeah, if she was performing at a Bolt level and crushing world records and literally never losing a race maybe I’d have an issue. But they won one race, and have not medaled the majority of their performances. This is despite having vastly more experience than their competitors and I won’t go into the physical aspects because I don’t know enough about swimming or transitioning.
Like the meet Surf posted with two other schools. Are we literally getting upset because they beat two other student athletes, whom we know absolutely nothing about? In swimming, a sport none of us here have expertise in?
No, but I am not encountering @Riverman for the first time in my life. He’s a part of the community and deserves the “calmly explaining” route, at least for a while, IMO. I acknowledge that’s not the only reasonable approach.
Exactly. There’s probably a meaningful discussion to be had about the rules and regulations of sports bodies trying to deal with the complex interaction of gender identity and sports.
Just because I believe it was asked but never answered in this thread:
Someone is born with a penis and XY Chromosomes. During their college years they decide to present, dress, and live as a woman. They undergo no hormone therapy or gender reassignment surgery.
This person is:
- A Man
- A Woman
0 voters
This person should compete in athletics against:
- Men
- Women
- Their Choice
0 voters
Why do you think that is? Because they’re informed of the science, the sporting rules on the subject and given those facts disagree with how the sporting bodies handle the cases…or are being transphobic?
Only if you combine it with some humility and acknowledgment that there are no obvious conclusions. We are getting some posts in this thread that imply that it’s just “wrong” that this “man” is cheating by competing against women, but those posters are dancing around it a little because they don’t want to come right out and say that we should ban trans women from NCAA competition because Democrats can’t manage the messaging properly and that sucks for people with an interest in Democrats winning elections. C’mon. If this case is so “problematic” for someone then they should go ahead and put their proposed solution on the table for critcism.
16 of the persons own teammates said they should not be allowed to compete.
A poll for a bunch of dudes to discuss whether trans women are women… in 2022… on a supposedly progressive board…
This is why people are getting told to fuck off.
Most people are transphobic. Breaking news at 10.
I just read this article on it:
I do think just one year of hormone suppression therapy, and they are moving to not even requiring that in some sports, leaves a significant advantage, all else equal. But the best counterpoint in the article I saw mentioned is that everything else is no where close to equal.
Even as a 0.5% or whatever percent of the population, you would expect to see thousands of transgender women participating in NCAA sports if all else were equal. But literally everything else is stacked against them so the reality is they are way underrepresented…
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Are you sure? It seems very mixed to me. From Wikipedia:
Do you have data to support the claim that “most people” in the sport oppose the participation of trans gender participants?