What do you think? Do you think that trans women should be banned from competition?
This poll says cis-women were 53-43 against:
On the Penn swimming case, I gathered that 16 of her teammates said she should not be able to swim and 5 said she should:
I think this is true for sure. But thatâs where the argument needs to be formulated. The entire issue is: can sports have meaningful competition is trans women are allowed to compete as women? Specifically because we have this big movement of deplorables acting out of hate, itâs not good enough to declare that itâs âobviousâ.
Firstly. Most people, even progressive ones, still have a bunch of transphobic attitudes. I certainly do. Transphobia is not something that only those bad ol Republicans over there do.
Secondly. Intent really doesnt matter that much. Doing something harmful out of ignorance and a lack of effort still hurts people. Itâs still transphobic.
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Thanks thatâs good information to have.
If the NCAA or any other organization wanted to take that into account as part of their decision making that would be fine with me, although I wouldnât be very satisfied with something where there was a lot of evidence the other way but a âmajority rulesâ approach was applied. But that would at least be a basis to make a decision, and then people on the side of inclusion could go about trying to make their case and sway the majority.
Is it racist to ask whether in the light of recent MS 13 shootings we should consider whether police should shoot more Mexicans?
Also. Thatâs really not all that is being said itt. You should consider that you arent picking up the transphobic stuff accurately.
Could someone at least enumerate these criteria which need to be evaluated? So far the conversation is very ârabble, rabble, rabbleâ and not focused on the specifics. Something that is very relevant to the conversation is that USA Swimming changed their guidelines on Feb 1 2022 and the NCAA decided not to immediately adopt them because it was in the middle of a season and very close to the championships. I havenât seen anyone against Lia Thomas mention that, even though it is literally the sportâs governing body evaluating and updating the requirements.
It seems the null hypothesis for any positive performance from a trans athlete is because they are âactually a man.â There is never a conversation on their talent, training or work ethic.
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Dude youâre completely unhinged in this thread.
I can take the heat but I promise you even on this incredibly progressive board the âinsult and shame people with completely reasonable perspectivesâ line isnât doing anything positive.
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I could be wrong here, but your tone has been pretty poor here and itâs similar to the crypto thread.
Is anyone able to share their opinion on why they believe that the system worked accordingly in this specific case better than this?
My primary audience isnt you. Its trans folks who wonder if this board is a safe space or not.
Super gross thread. White gated-community living banking execs telling people supporting transgender people to take the L. This place really has gone to total shit jfc.
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Says the international traveling lawyer. GTFO
i hope incredibly progressive is sarcastic
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Whatâs your point? Iâm not the one here posting like you do? OMG INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL CHESSMATE.
My point is you and I both live a life of privilege so posting like you do is insanely gross af.
Nice both sides attempt though lol.
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Rivermanâs whole schtick is ALL IS LOST ITS ALL OVER NEVER VOTING FOR DEMS AGAIN BECAUSE THEY ARE IMPOTENT LOSERS WHO DONT DO THE RIGHT THINGS but also WE(DEMS) CANT TAKE THE POLITICAL DAMAGE FROM SUPPORTING TRANS PEOPLE
Let that sink in for a minute.
Iâll take the 4 days off in advance.
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Man, everyone calm down, WTF is going on.
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My best friends child is transgender and they are all terrified because of the laws being enacted in Oklahoma/Texas/Florida/etc. I am terrified for them. Even if that wasnât the case I would have the same views that we should want to support and protect minorities of which transgender people are obviously one. Letâs not pretend the transgender sports stuff isnât a proxy battle about transgender rights in general. It 100% is.
Reading this trash here is horrible.
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I think this is genuinely the worst thread/day of posting Iâve seen on this site.
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