For those wondering, this is the very predictable result of the ājust asking questionsā mindset. The minute you give these people an inch they will take as much as possible.
Surprise but Caitlyn Jenner is OUT.
Saw Lia Thomas (āthe trans swimmerā per media) did end up winning a womens national championship yesterday.
Yeah, I donāt know how I feel about that one.
On one hand, sure we shouldnāt discriminate against transgender people, and they shouldnāt be barred from doing things anyone could do.
On the other hand, a biological male competing against women kinda defeats the purpose of having womenās sports being segregated.
Apparently Liaās time was only like 9 seconds off Katie Ledeckyās world record for women in this event. Lia competed in the NCAA on the menās swimming team before she transitioned.
What would happen in combat sports if a transgender female started wrecking female fighters in MMA? Iād find that disturbing.
Trans athletes is probably an issue that costs Democrats vote if it is allowed to become salient.
Iām sorry a biological male playing womens sports is ridiculous and Iād be pretty mad if my kid had to compete against that person.
Iām on the other hand side of this one and I donāt think itās that tough.
The real tough cases are people like Caster Semenya (intersex people who are just born that way).
āBiological maleā is an insensitive term meant to invalidate trans women and that also is insensitive to the actual biology of sex and gender, which is murky at best.
Iām not sure how long Lia has been out as a woman, but I do think thereās a reasonable argument for trans women to be living as women and on hormone therapy for like 2-3 years before getting to compete in menās athletics, but the details arenāt something that should be settled by cis dudes.
If Iām not mistaken, that āreasonable argumentā relies heavily on the premise that after a couple of years of hormone replacement the advantage of being born male is lost. Is that correct?
I have found that pretty hard to swallow and the studies Iāve seen on the topic (it has been a while, so maybe there is some new stuff) have not been that convincing, imo.
this case doesnāt seem tough to me at all
the whole point of sports at the olympic level is to celebrate people who are essentially all freaks. but if theyāre freaky outside of some extremely narrow parameters then we suddenly donāt think they get to play? seems dumb IYAM
Well, I think some people want to pretend that weāre celebrating nothing but hard work and training, but obviously thatās bullshit.
Thatās where I land on that. But I guess I have an easier time seeing the other side.
Part of the problem is that it is difficult to tell if someone like that is doping on T.
I recall seeing some studies that most of the strength advantage is lost after a couple years, but itās been a while since I fought this battle. I suppose thereās more of an issue where limb length is a substantial part of the advantage relative to raw strength, and swimming and basketball could be such sports.
Do you support desegregation?
This is a very very very bad issue for democrats.
Up there with letting people shoot up and smoke crack on the sidewalk.
Any dem who doesnāt come out against trans athletes is a moron.
You can be a trans athlete but you have to complete against your own genotype.
Kinda feel that way too.
But at the same time, isnāt that type of strength advantage gone after some years?
Lots of people can very quickly get on board with ālet people do what they want as long as it doesnāt mess up my life.ā
Not very many people (myself included!) can quickly get on board with āformer male swimmer becomes female swimmer and wins a national championship.ā Imagine if you had a kid that trained for a lifetime and lost in that race. It is easy to personalize and it plays into Americaās addiction to resentment / victimhood.
Maybe this makes me a complete piece of shit, I donāt know and Iām certainly willing to listen, but Iām very sure this is a massively losing political issue for the left.