I mean when you take into account stuff like distancing and footwork it becomes super grey area. Both have pro’s and cons.
I definitely wouldn’t say being short is an advantage in MMA, or even boxing. It depends.
Agreed.
Same with like a wide receiver in football. Point is that most people would default to thinking short is a disadvantage.
Foreman showed Frazier how the taller man fights.
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Rocky M was about the same height, and both famed for their KOs. Interesting.
Even in ones with weight classes?
Fuck. The rumors are true. I’m out.
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You mean it would’ve been in StrikeForce/Bellator?
Dana only opened up WMMA for the UFC bc Ronda brought in money for StrikeForce. I watched Nunes upset Julia Budd in LFC or MFC (I forget) as a dog. Christy Martin was boxing way back when and was a name I knew as a teenager who wasn’t that into sports.
Otherwise I don’t get your point. The money aspect is also what LM is getting at, not so much me. I literally just want girls to be able to compete with girls (which obv overlaps with financial interests in practice), whatever that means in earnest truth, I’m down for.
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Sure.
The other is pertinent to the topic tho.
They did outlaw dunking for a bit bc of either KAJ or Wilt, I forget. Changed goaltending rules bc of Wilt. Supposedly tried to Tiger-proof courses too, but that always seemed nonsensical to me. Not a golf guy tho.
Shaq also wasn’t that dominant. He won three rings with Kobe and only one otherwise, in which Wade and the refs carried him to his fourth. Hakeem ate his lunch.
5 Rules That Were Changed Because Of Wilt Chamberlain
- Offensive Goaltending
- Defensive Goaltending
- Size of the lane/paint
- Free throw shooting
- Inbounding the Ball
Pretty sick.
I think LM’s point is, think down a few steps and what’s the reaction when there’s similar pushback to someone trans changing the game. Serena is already loathed in many, many circles. No one roots for Goliath, etc.
Might want to think about other reasons Serena is disliked other than being the best. Don’t really remembering people hating the best male tennis players so much…
He was from a physical standpoint; he was just so good naturally that he didn’t bother improving his weaknesses. Hakeem is one of if not the most skilled center to ever play and was able to maintain his advantage through discipline over physical prowess.
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And if your rhetorical question can’t be answered sufficiently then female sports are either rendered moot, or the premise behind their initial intent was.
I was talking specifically about KO’s landing on the button. The taller man has the advantage (as long as he uses it) but he does kind of have to crouch down to land with power. The main advantage is in kickboxing, getting inside on the taller man is an issue other than the clinch and knees as the counter. I would think in wrestling being shorter is an advantage, Jones kept Cormier at range with kicks, jabs, and roids.
I know. You don’t think that’s apples to apples (if not intensified) for a trans person? And then what’s the backlash? Is the concern here for the one, single individual who would excel, or the trans community as a whole? It seems obvious how it would play out as a wedge issue.
He was late to the game too. He was just very smart, like Duncan. That footwork and post game was great.
Biggest thing was Shaq was young and Hakeem was in his prime. Prime Shaq beasts him (while Hakeem holds his own) just like prime Duncan during that era.
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I’m losing the thread here. Is your point that the main issue is that people will be upset if a trans athlete does well? Because that sounds like both a non-issue and more important cow towing to bigots.
Ive made my arguments on depth. Yet here you are throwing your toys out of the pram at the first sign of challenge.
What exactly do you object to? The idea that “protecting” cis women from trans women (unasked for) is not misogyny or that these are the same tired arguments used against LGBT folks for decades? Because im happy to stand by both.
My concern is the integrity of the game for females. Whatever that means. No different than I don’t think it’s right for someone that should be on varsity to be on JV. I don’t think it’s right for people to hold their kids back a year so they can excel in sports. Things of that nature. If it’s done in the right spirit then I’m all for all that’s right.
A secondary issue (brought up by others) is thinking through what happens when/if a single individual is a Pistorious with Phelps results. It’s anticipating the bigots, not necessarily kowtowing to them. Pointing it out as a blind spot without an obvious answer is all it is. Ruled via philosopher king would be nice but what Johnny’s getting at is true. One can anticipate the dark ages before the enlightenment tho.
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I’m objecting to you lumping my concern in with the other buckets in which I (assume I) agree with you?
I also realize at the HS (and even college) level it’s largely moot and so my concern is more so for the individual and would err on the side of letting them play with little to no qualifications. Risky’s outlook.
Then, I think that through and anticipate how it goes down the line. Que sera sera tho.
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I stand by that comparison. The idea that cis men need to protect cis women in sports is the same argument that was made in the bathrom debate. If you dont like the comparison, then take the shoe off.
As others (and myself) made clear early in the thread. The arguments you want to focus on are the 0.1% of the issue. Its voter fraud. Its the one trans woman who attacked someone. Its the justified police shooting.
The other 99.9% is kids dying. Every day. So when you come in focus on that 0.1%, you should be aware that you are tying your horse to a wagon that kills people. When you wrap it up with that “only sports people can really see the nuance” garbage that you opened with, you are going to get a reaction.
The “it’s an echo chamber, im being shouted down” narrative as well? Youve read the thread. The arguments have been made, in depth, and on the most part reasonably. Theres a reason why your post got a different treatment, and its nothing to do with an echo chamber.
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